Power of 10

[Drum]

Can someone please explain to me how the power of 10 is going to raise athletic standards any more so than the Common Standards, Athletics Weekly Stds or English Schools Stds. There have always been targets for athletes and coaches to aspire to. Why is this any different.
I know its early days yet but will the Power of 10 recognise performances from so called minor events or just major events?
I ask that question because I have sent in a full seasons results from a minor league and have not yet seen any performances entered. I studied our regional ranking and have realised that just 1 age group from our Minor league would have over 30 new entries.

This question is based on younger athletes rather than senior.

[Dennis]

There seem to be a number of sites (e.g. UKA, Athletics Data, Power of 10) and people (e.g. NUTS) maintaining UK rankings and it is difficult to keep up with them all. Perhaps there should just be one set of people dealing with this. If NUTS can do this better than anyone else then perhaps UKA should pay to have a site set up for them and pay them to do it.

[Drum]

There seem to be a number of sites (e.g. UKA, Athletics Data, Power of 10) and people (e.g. NUTS) maintaining UK rankings and it is difficult to keep up with them all. Perhaps there should just be one set of people dealing with this. If NUTS can do this better than anyone else then perhaps UKA should pay to have a site set up for them and pay them to do it.

Totally agree. Until there is some unification, rankings can be and will be inaccurate and not a true reflection of athletes performances. Someone has to bite the bullet and produce just one National database with all verified results within the desired standards included. Regardless of the event status.

[Javelin Sam]

The power of 10 is just a marketing ploy and it's a bad one at that. I am continually e-mailling them with updates to their site because they have duplications and ommisions from their results.

I find it incredibly frustrating that the national governing body promotes a site that is so inaccurate.

It's very manipulative too. who sets the standards? where is the working out to show how the "Power of 10" is come about

lets take the U17men's javelin for example.. 11 boys over the 55m target.. now does that mean that there are 11 boys throwing exceptionally well or is it that the target was set based on years of poor performances??

if you look at the Power of 10 site U17 javelin and then look at Athletics Data site you will see there are some differences.. how do these differences occur?

I recently had to contact them about this one...

Come on guys... U15 boys...Javelin.. UK Number1 finished 6th with a throw of 61.76m.. then how can he be the UK number1???? More to the point... how on earth would he produce a PB of 26.5m in one go..

I know you use data readers but i think you should really proof read what you are pubishing before you publish it

1 61.76 Matthew Kovar (Enf & Har) 3 Sep 2006 Birmingham

[Power-of-ten-man]

I bet Sam coaches a few U17 jav throwers

[Smoke]

Jav Sam it has flaws and you are part of the solution, whats new to life? There was extensive articles written about where the standards came from, something about the level needed to make given finals or something in that family (I did not commit it to memory because I do not need it and I know it will change year to year.

My point is, it is a reference tool for everyone. If the stats are wrong then they will be corrected, but I know this, these kids and adults know who is the best in their event, how fast and how far, and what is expected of them to garner attention and to achieve an elite standard. There dreams are now quantified. Now this may not work for you Jav or Jennifer or me, but one thing about coaching you learn to bend with the individual. There are a lot that this matters and works for them, and I can use that, not fight it. 1) it is not affecting money right now so why give it so much importance? 2) all information is defined by its use.

[Javelin Sam]

I bet Sam coaches a few U17 jav throwers

2 U17boys
3 U15 Boys
1 U20 Woman
1 U15 Girl
1 SNR Man
...and myself

[Javelin Sam]

To stress a Point.. this set of data is from the Athletics Data Site...

Rank Perf Name DOB Club Pos Venue Date
1 66.54 Bonne Buwembo U17 M 24.12.89 Havering Mayesbrook 1 Sandy 3 Sep 06
2 62.17 Daniel Pembroke U17 M 16.07.91 Windsor, Slough, Eton & Hounslow 1 Stoke Mandeville 30 Apr 06
3 58.98 Stephen Reynolds U17 M 28.11.89 Gateshead 1 Gateshead 17 Jun 06
4 58.24 Brett Byrd U17 M 25.11.89 Tamworth 3 Glasgow (S) 9 Sep 06
5 57.91 Paul Redford U17 M North Devon 3 Birmingham 6 Aug 06 Identify
6 57.39 Michael John U17 M 13.09.89 Carmarthen 2 Grangemouth 15 Jul 06
7 57.27 Jamie Broadey U17 M 03.11.89 Aldershot, Farnham & District 3 Gateshead 7 Jul 06
8 56.59 Matthew Hunt U17 M 01.10.90 Hull Achilles 4 Birmingham 6 Aug 06
9 56.39 Ashley Bryant U17 M 17.05.91 Windsor, Slough, Eton & Hounslow D Stoke 20 Aug 06
10 56.00 Richard Baah U17 M 01.09.89 Croydon 1 Welwyn 25 Jun 06
11 55.97 Stephen Porter U17 M 22.09.89 Preston 1 Wigan 10 Jun 06
12 55.96 M John U17 M Wal 4 Glasgow (S) 9 Sep 06 Identify
13 55.26 David Hollow U17 M 05.10.90 City of Plymouth 6 Birmingham 6 Aug 06
14 55.13 Adrian O'Rourke U17 M Colchester & Tendring 1 Ware 2 Jul 06 Identify
15 55.10 Matt Stoker U17 M 30.09.89 Shaftesbury Barnet 1 Welwyn 30 Jun 06
16 53.53 P Allsopp U17 M Y&H 6 Glasgow (S) 9 Sep 06 Identify
17 53.45 S Reynolds U17 M NE 7 Glasgow (S) 9 Sep 06 Identify
18 52.85 Jack Bolton U17 M 01.09.89 Winchester 1 Bournemouth 9 Jul 06
19 52.58 William Bennett U17 M Devon Schs 1 Exeter 10 Jun 06 Identify
20 52.53 Paul Allsopp U17 M 12.02.91 Nestle Rowntree 1 York 10 Jun 06

and this is the same top 20 from the power of 10 site...

1 66.54 Bonne Buwembo (Havering M) 3 Sep 2006 Sandy
2 62.17 Dan Pembroke (WSE&H) 30 Apr 2006 Stoke Mandeville
3 58.98 Stephen Reynolds (Gateshead) 17 Jun 2006 Gateshead
4 58.24 Brett Byrd (Tamworth) 9 Sep 2006 Glasgow (S)
5 57.39 Michael John (Carmarthen) 15 Jul 2006 Grangemouth
6 57.27 Jamie Broadey (AF&D) 7 Jul 2006 Gateshead
7 56.59 Matthew Hunt (Hull Achilles) 6 Aug 2006 Birmingham
8 56.39 Ashley Bryant (WSE&H) 20 Aug 2006 Stoke-on-Trent
9 56.00 Richard Baah (Croydon) 25 Jun 2006 Welwyn
10 55.97 Stephen Porter (Preston) 10 Jun 2006 Wigan
11 55.26 David Hollow (City of Plymouth) 6 Aug 2006 Birmingham
12 55.13 Adrian O'Rourke (Colchester & T) 2 Jul 2006 Ware
POWER OF 10 TARGET: 55.00
13 53.53 Paul Allsopp (Nestle Rowntree) 9 Sep 2006 Glasgow (S)
14 53.32 Ryan Knight (Dundee HH) 12 Aug 2006 Waterford, IRL
15 53.27 Matt Stoker (Shaftesbury B) 2 Sep 2006 Birmingham
16 52.85 Jack Bolton (Winchester) 9 Jul 2006 Bournemouth
17 52.58 William Bennett (Devon Sch) 10 Jun 2006 Exeter
18 52.46 Jay Boddington (WGreen & Ex L) 7 Jul 2006 Gateshead
19 51.70 Ryan Stewart (Central) U15 15 Jul 2006 Grangemouth
20 51.42 Ben Gregory (Vale of Aylesb) 23 Jul 2006

which one is right?????