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Jessica the Strong

Postby d pickup » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:35 pm

Augustus II the Strong 1670–1733, Elector of Saxony, King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania - who broke horseshoes with bare hands and tossed foxes with 1-finger.

In Sportsman29's 'Indoor Action 2011' SteveK26 'Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:37 pm' marvelled that Jessica 'tadpole' Ennis did 14.60 SP ... Javelin Sam 'Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:35 pm' suggests a separate topic. So a few prompts:

0 Just how should JE weigh up the varying demands of her 7 events?

1 JE weight
IAAF: 57kg
Tilastopaja: blank
Wiki: 57kg
Google 'what is the weight of Jessica Ennis'
- 57kg/130lb
- 126kg ('08)
- 62kg, height 1.81m, dob 20/04/84 !!! - 'Spikes' 26jan10 - their database needs a look at perhaps on all 3 counts

2 I guess it is often the case that once the stats people get a weight for an athlete they feel a slot in their list has been dealt with - unless a new figure appears somewhere (I found 3-4 different figures for Bolt last year re his weight - and his height!)

3 If a MD runner then ever a slim same-weight athlete, or something like that, but the power-event athletes might put on 10s of kgs over the years in their pursuit of power.

4 Seeing JEs upper arms of the last year and them in '07 (see her official JE site) they are stronger looking (& bigger).

5 It is likely that she has added a kg or two ... in the last 5 years, though how much?

6 Looking at photos isn't always a sure guide to weight change, as one can be deceived by:
- different hair style
- tan / untanned
- make up / no make up
- different attire cut and colour

7 Fat is less dense than muscle, what ever rearrangement of muscle and adipose tissue there has been with JE over the last 5 years.

8 Do top athletes weight themselves regularly; does JE?
Who knows/meets JE from this Message Board and could ask - though some females are notorious about their age and their weight.

9 Just looking in the mirror is often enough to say things are ok.

10 She is into the serious matter of excelling athletically in a multi-event so she will have to pay attention in each event to:
- technique
- necessary strength/power increase
- maintaining the range of movement of certain joints
- not needing to carry too much bulk in 800

11 She must believe she can win

12 She must know the nuances of warm up to:
- avoid injury
- optimise performance at comps
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby SteveK26 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:52 pm

DP

I think that just looking in the mirror (as you say) is often good enough.

Jess looks every inch what she is.....a perfectly conditioned professional athlete. She will doubtless get bigger as she puts on more muscle as she gets older, but she looks like she carries no fat to speak of.

I would be surprised if her PB long jump( outdoors ) doesn't get revised this coming season.
I would also be surprised if she DOES revise her HJ pb. As she gets heavier she will no doubt find it hard to maintain jumps in the 1-90 region.
Other events could be improved, esp. javelin, but its asking a lot to get significantly quicker than the level she has reached.
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby sidelined » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:44 pm

Do the gains she can make in the shot outweigh, points-wise, the possible negative effect on what she can achieve in the high jump?
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby SteveK26 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:20 pm

Sidelined
There will be a trade-off to a certain degree. However, provided she can remain in the 1-85 to 1-90 bracket as a high-jumper then she will be better off. Especially since we dont yet know what limit to put on her shot improvement.She may yet get to 15-00.
The extra strength should also benefit her other events, and I dont see it as a hindrance even to her 800 performances.
Also she was always going to be limited in the high jump just by her size; I'm amazed someone of her height could jump as high as she has.
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby d pickup » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:49 am

With PEN/HEP/DEC there are so many possibilities for improvement, or stagnation - or even deterioration. In the Forum/Message Board (MB) over the last year we've seen estimate that, on a good day, JE will
- break 23.00 for 200
- could if necessary boiler-bust and do 2.05.00 for 800
- get into the 12.70s, 12.60s, even 12.50s for 100h
- = her PB of 1.95 in the HJ
- do at least 6.60 in the LJ
- break the 15.00 barrier in the SP
- 'give her to me and I'd get her over 50m' in the JT

Just what on earth her coach thinks/hopes she'll achieve by and in London '12 only he and JE perhaps knows, and they will change the possible targets as a result of each target time between now and then.

Anyway, meanwhile her web site suggests, I think, she has the following immediate competitions lined up for her, all leading towards Paris, EUR (IN) Champs early March

Upcoming Events
•29.01.2011 - 29.01.2011 Aviva Internationa...
•06.02.2011 - 06.02.2011 McCain Indoor City...
•12.02.2011 - 13.02.2011 National Champions...
•19.02.2011 - 19.02.2011 Aviva Grand Prix

see
www.jessicaennis.net/
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby SteveK26 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:51 am

Sidelined

I thought your earlier query should be looked at more closely, so I referred to the scoring tables.

A loss of 5 cm in HJ would equate to around a drop of 65pts. 1-85=1041 1-90=1106

A gain of 50 cm in shot would improve her score by 33pts. 14-10=801 14-60=834

That would lead me to the following conclusions:
Jess must be confident of maintaining her hept HJ at around the 1-90 mark....very costly if she drops back to 1-85 ish.
The extra strength we are guessing she now has will likely result in a big Javelin improvement. Every metre further she throws the spear will gain around 20pts. So a 50 metre throw would come in very handy! ( a massive 80pt leap forward from her current 46 metre level).

All ifs and buts, I know , but the balance of performances is a complicated matter in Hept.
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby d pickup » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:02 am

sidelined / SteveK26

A few figures to mull over re JE's possible future progress:

event PB .. point+ new PB
100h 12.81 12pts .. 12.73 (14pts 12.72)
HJ ... 1.95 13pts .... 1.96
SP .. 14.61 13pts .. 14.80
200 . 23.15 13pts .. 23.02
LJ ..... 6.51 13pts .... 6.55
JT ... 46.71 13pts .. 47.34
800 2.9.88 13pts . 2.09.05

Currently her PB HEP is 6823
7 x 13 = 91 + 6823 = 6914 + another 7 x 13 = 7005
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby SteveK26 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:43 am

DP
Firstly let me say how nice it is to once again have a debate with you;when the forum went off air I felt like I had lost a few good pen-friends.
Secondly...you are an early bird, its 5.00am where you are!!

On to the matter in hand. Unlikely scenario that Jess will improve by 13 pts in each event. Not sure where you are coming from on that one, but I'm sure you have your reasons. More likely , surely , that she will continue to improve radically in one or two events (long jump and the throws spring to mind) and hang on to roughly where she is in the other events.
As I have said previously, I personally doubt whether she can improve much (if at all ) in HJ or even the sprint events.
Like Daley in the 1500, I doubt she will ever do much more than required in the last event, (unless the unlikely spectre of a world record loomed).

All of that said I remain certain that if she stays fit the opposition wont trouble her much.
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby d pickup » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:12 am

SteveK26 wrote:DP
Firstly let me say how nice it is to once again have a debate with you;when the forum went off air I felt like I had lost a few good pen-friends.
Secondly...you are an early bird, its 5.00am where you are!!

On to the matter in hand. Unlikely scenario that Jess will improve by 13 pts in each event. Not sure where you are coming from on that one, but I'm sure you have your reasons. More likely , surely , that she will continue to improve radically in one or two events (long jump and the throws spring to mind) and hang on to roughly where she is in the other events.
As I have said previously, I personally doubt whether she can improve much (if at all ) in HJ or even the sprint events.
Like Daley in the 1500, I doubt she will ever do much more than required in the last event, (unless the unlikely spectre of a world record loomed).

All of that said I remain certain that if she stays fit the opposition wont trouble her much.


SteveK26

Yes good to be back exchanging views. Me here now? Restless, though not about AW's Message Board! - & somewhere in Europe.

No, I hadn't had the thought 'the best strategy for JE is to add 13 points to each of the 7 events'!!!!!!!

What I hoped the figures do (& you know how I am with lists and ranking tables - they can be useful - sometimes) is show the points progress possibilities for each event, and give perspective to the specific events you, and others, feel she should invest in.

I agree with you that the techical possibilities should be explored by her in the LJ, SP & JT. Interesting that she well beat her 100 PB last season in Manchester with 11.39, so I hang onto the thought that she can improve her '07 200 PB of 23.15. I also think that if there were a fierce situation in a Championship 800 and the colour of the medal depended on it she would go faster than 2.9.88 if necessary, even 2.8 ... she has the mind to dig, to dig deep. Hewr degree was in psychologist and she's arranging to see one too so it won't be from lack of mind training that she 'fails'.

So that leaves the 100h & the HJ. A few figures first:

100 m hurdles, 10 best results (legal):
12.81 1.5 1 Bottrop 26 Jun 2009
12.85 1.3 M New York NY 12 Jun 2010
12.87 1 Birmingham 12 Jul 2009
12.89 0.7 H Götzis 29 May 2010
12.90 0.9 1h1 Birmingham 12 Jul 2009
12.93 2.0 1rA Loughborough 17 May 2009
12.93 -0.4 H Berlin 15 Aug 2009
12.95 -1.0 H Barcelona 30 Jul 2010
12.97 0.1 H Osaka 25 Aug 2007
12.98 0.7 H Desenzano del Garda 9 May 2009
Average: 12.908

High jump, 10 best results (legal):
1.95 H Desenzano del Garda 5 May 2007
1.94i 2 Glasgow 30 Jan 2010
1.93 1 Loughborough 23 May 2010
1.92i 1 Sheffield 10 Feb 2008
1.92 H Berlin 15 Aug 2009
1.91 H Melbourne 21 Mar 2006
1.91i P Birmingham 2 Mar 2007
1.91i 1 Loughborough 19 Jan 2008
1.91 1 Birmingham 12 Jul 2009
1.91 H Götzis 29 May 2010
Average: 1.921

see http://www.tilastopaja.org/db/atw.php?ID=8574&Odd=1

Seeing these 2 compilations I'm a bit more optimistic than you that she has reached her limit in the HJ, and she could get that GBR NR for the 100h - just. I note the record holder for that event is back in action. If Claxton is sharp it might help JE in this event. Meanwhile JE's up again talkative Lolo this weekend over 60h (in) which might produce positive sparks.
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby Kermit » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:14 am

Jessica the strong - Jessica the birthday girl!

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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby katiek » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:14 am

Jassica have you any suggestions that how to make strongest person.... how i manage my daily routine :roll:
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Re: Jessica the Strong

Postby salinanekol » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:13 am

jessica how a partner should be strong i am big fan of you.
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