Multi-event news

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‘The world’s best all-round athletes’ deserve their own topic.

This season should offer a few special gems including:
- Ennis in NY v Fountain in a Tri-event
- Ennis v Somerton
- Clay’s last chance perhaps for the DEC WR
- Eaton’s rising through the ranks; currently 100+ ranked in world DEC; 1st in HEP (in)
- Eur Champs; HEP: a re-meet of C, D & E - Chernova, Dobrynska, Ennis - & S (Sotherton)?
- CG

News item No.1
Roman Sebrle, CZE, WR-holder DEC (9026, ‘01): he has done 98 combined events in his career, 1991-present; no season missed due to injury. NO SEASON MISSED DUE TO INJURY. Compare with Dean Macey for instance. Is there a lesson here?
- genetic
- training ways
- season planning
- taking / not taking chances
- listening to body

No injuries, we repeat no injuries, and in the toughest of events.
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News item No.2
Ashton Eaton this outdoor season has already upped 2 of his PBs
- SP 13.11 31/03/2010
- DT 43.71 01/04/2010

And his DEC PB with 8310, but windy - though the USA NCAA are not including the new IAAF wind rules in its own rules. His previous PB was 8241, ‘09 (windy too); his PB (non-windy) 8122, ‘08
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Stop 1 is this weekend:
Mt. San Antonio College Relays 16-17apr
Bryan Clay, USA, 6th world ranked all time in DEC (8832, ‘08), competing in 4 events

His 1st DEC this year Gotzis, AUT May.

see
www.whittierdailynews.com/sports/ci_14887467

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Bryan Clay, looking to beat the WR DEC this season, has certainly attended to his speed in /out 2010

PBs set during ‘10
in
55mH 7.24
60mH 7.71

This weekend
200 21.48 (PB is 21.34 ‘05)
110H DQ
DT 46.70 (PB 55.87 ‘05)

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Admittedly a bit of a diversion on current DEC activity, but who can resist a bit of Daley humour.

Blango took on Daley and now he's running for office

Columba Blango, Sierra Leone, ‘80 OLY DEC participant, who was 16th & last with 5080pts (Daley 8495pts) now 53, ‘6 May, General Election Day, ... Southwark borough councillor (& ex-Mayor) will be up against Harriet Harman in the fight for the parliamentary seat of Camberwell and Peckham.

‘Russian capital 30 years ago. "I was very slim," he recalls, "and I remember Daley looked at me and said, 'Are you really a decathlete? The decathlon is not for babies'."’

"I broke my pole in practice and they could not fix it," he recalls. "I had to use one of Daley's poles. It was very kind of him. I've met him a few times since I came to live in England and the last time he asked me for his pole back. He had so many of them, he must have forgotten I'd given it back to him.’

Other Parliamentary Olympians
Sir Christopher Chataway
Sir Menzies Campbell
Lord Coe
see
www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/ath ... 47801.html

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Dobrynska on World record: ‘Why not?’

Oly Hep champion Natalia Dobrynska, UKR is preparing for Barcelona, ... ‘does not rule out the possibility of breaking the World record this season’

Her first comp: 29-30 May, Gotzis. Her birthday, 29may, is 1st competition day. She is also going to compete in Talence (18-19sep), and may be Kladno (15-16jun).

WR? We hadn’t put it on our list for ‘10 Wrs, even thinking that one won’t go until more like ‘16.

Meanwhile we think C, D, E, & F can all improve their their HEP Pbs this year:
WR 7291 J-Kersee, USA ‘88
ER 7032 Kluft, SWE ‘07
EUR champs rec 6740 Kluft, SWE, ‘06
Chernova, RUS 6618 (RUS rec 7007 Turchinskaya URS ‘89 or 6765 Prokhorva RUS ‘00)
Dobrynska, UKR 6733 (UKR rec 6832 Blonska ‘07)
Ennis, GBR 6731 (GBR rec 6831 Lewis ‘00)
Fountain, non-EUR, USA 6667 (USA rec 6803 Frederick ‘84)

We’ll offer our prediction of what they might do nearer Barcelona time, end of JUL.
See
www.iaaf.org/news/kind=102/newsid=56509.html

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USATF CEO Doug Logan has pencilled in Brian Clay & Trey Hardee to get medals for USA at the '12 OLY; no mention of Ashton Eaton.

see
http://theviewfromthefinishline.blogspo ... -list.html

[mump boy]

Fountain, non-EUR, USA 6667 (USA rec 6803 Frederick ‘84)

er

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mump boy, Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:22 am
Sorry for any confusion. I mixed thinking about: EUR champs (which won't feature Fountain); who world-wide will be tops in the HEP this season following on from who finish 1234 in the PEN in Doha. Ennis of course is due to meet Fountain in NY 12th June in a tri-event.
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CDEF are all entered for the Gotzis HEP event 29-30may ie Chernova, Dobroynska, Ennis, Fountain.

The event is seen as the final rehearsal before the late-jul EUR champs.

It is suggested Ennis is aiming for 7000 this year.

see
www.bcn2010.org/paginasFront/Noticies/D ... x6j_fpkm3c

[Thornhill]

Jessica Ennis to score 7000 points I'm pretty sure She didn't say that and having spoken to her coach he says it's not on his mind this year.

Where do the media get this stuff?

Not saying she can't but a 300 point improvement in a year at Ennis's level that's a bit much. Maybe by 2011 or better 2012.

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Thornhill, Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:03 pm

I agree with you. Her PB (6731) is ripe for revision; GBR rec (6831) is possible, 6900 perhaps ... and surprises do occur.
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Pickler breaks HEP mark at 101st Drake Relays - 6040pts

Pickler, US HEP, 2nd best mark in the world this year.

She’s competiting in Gotzis, AUT end of May

Her PB: 6,290, US champs ‘09

see
www.mercurynews.com/sports-headlines/ci ... ck_check=1
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Jessica Ennis has warned that Britain has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to rectify its coaching wrongs and prevent another generation from slipping through the net.

‘see kids doing athletics whose technique is so wrong it is unbelievable’

Ennis is back in action this weekend at RAF Cosford, Shropshire, ... Götzis, AUT ... 150m v Ohuruogu, Manchester’s Gt City Games.

It remains to be seen whether Kelly Sotherton, makes it to Götzis for an eagerly awaited rematch. It is understood Sotherton has been suffering from an injury.

See
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sp ... 105636.ece
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The article has a pic of Ennis with 3 young hurdles; certainly they need their technique improving!
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Alongside in boxes are Times archive items on Bannister and Jesse Owens: good weekend reminiscing reading.
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Ennis did 43.96m JT at Cosford. Her PB is 46.47m

[Thornhill]

About 1.50m better than she opened up with last year and further than her 43.55m throw from the Berlin World Championships.

This is an event that will need to progress if she is to even get close to the British Record of Denise Lewis.

With 2 British Indoor Records 60mH and Pentathlon and an Equal Outdoor British Record of High Jump if she adds the Heptathlon and the 100mH, is holding 5 British Records at One time any kind of Record in itself?

Does that make you great before your career has really started?

"Pound for pound" as the popular expression goes when trying to compare different things?

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Thornhill
your comments prompts me to go an search out the JT PBs of the top HEP athletes; Somerton is JT-weak as well. Give me 24h.

5-records: stretching it a bit beyond 'standard' events but I guess some long-distance runners have had more than 5 GBR records in the past eg Shrubb, but there may have been others - Coe for instance more recently: off the top of my head did he ever and have at one time 800m, 1k, 1.5k, 1ml, 2k? Johanna Jackson is gathering walking records too so may get to 5 & more in the next year or two.

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This is not a list of the JT PBs of the top HEP athletes.
It is the best JT by top HEP athletes in their top-scoring HEP events, looking at one site:

see
www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout= ... etail.html

11 past stars
Kersee USA 50.12
Kluft SWE 50.96
Turchinskaya URS 59.28
Braun GER 53.74
John GDR 44.62
Shouaa SYR 55.56
Barber, FRA 53.07
Shubenkova, URS 46.26
Behmer, GDR 44.54
Bolova, EUN/RUS 43.84
Lewis, GBR 52.70

11 current stars
Blonska, UKR 47.77
Dobrynska, UKR 48.60
Ennis, GBR 43.54
Fountain, USA 48.15
(below: just 1 performance to go on)
Chernova, RUS 53.51
Kurban, RUS 49.23
Sotherton, GBR 37.21
Schwarzkopf, GER 54.81
Chudzik, POL 55.15
Oeser, GER 46.70
Zelinka, CAN 43.91
- to 6490 on all-time list

2 Brits rank 10th & 11th in the current star list; Lewis 5th in her list.

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Further re PEN/HEP JT

Javelin, 10 best results (legal)
Ennis
46.47 2 Manchester 21 Jun 2009
44.18 8 Bedford 31 May 2009
43.54 H Berlin 16 Aug 2009
43.08 6 Loughborough 18 May 2008
42.70 H Desenzano del Garda 10 May 2009
38.07 H Osaka 26 Aug 2007
37.38 H Szczecin 7 Jul 2007
36.81 H Arles 2 Jul 2006
36.65 H Göteborg 8 Aug 2006
36.39 H Melbourne 22 Mar 2006
Av: 40.527

Chernova
54.49 4q Tula 14 Jun 2006
53.51 H Götzis 31 May 2008
53.43 H Arles 2 Jun 2007
52.93 H-22 Kazan 9 Jul 2006
51.92 H Talence 20 Sep 2009
51.56 5q Tula 31 Jul 2007
51.30 H Ratingen 21 Jun 2009
50.51 H-19 Beijing 19 Aug 2006
50.23 H Talence 13 Sep 2008
48.43 12 Tula 31 Jul 2007
Av: 51.831

Dobrynska
48.60 H Beijing 16 Aug 2008
48.56 H Kladno 24 Jun 2009
47.24 H Götzis 30 May 2004
47.03 H Götzis 31 May 2009
46.90 H Götzis 31 May 2008
46.22 H Osaka 26 Aug 2007
45.70 H Talence 18 Sep 2005
44.73 H Kyiv 3 Aug 2007
44.73 H Talence 22 Sep 2007
44.51 H Helsinki 7 Aug 2005
Av: 46.422

Fountain
48.15 H Eugene OR 28 Jun 2008
46.90 H Götzis 29 May 2005
46.05 H Carson CA 26 Jun 2005
41.93 H Beijing 16 Aug 2008
41.62 H Talence 13 Sep 2008
41.59 H Indianapolis IN 22 Jun 2007
40.70 H Helsinki 7 Aug 2005
40.12 H Sacramento CA 14 Jun 2003
39.77 H Austin TX 9 Jun 2004
39.00 H San Juan 26 Aug 2006
Av: 42.583

also: others in PEN '10 best list:

Karolina Tymińska Pol, '84
PB: 40.70
av: 38.22

Antoinette Nana Djimou Ida, FRA, '85
PB: 49.96
av: 48.13

Marina Goncharova Rus, 26 Apr 86
PB: 48.69
av: 45.64

Diana Pickler USA, '83
PB: 45.89
av: 42.47

Olga Zaynutdinova Rus, '86
PB: 35.76
av: -

Jessica Samuelsson Swe, '85
PB: 37.58
av: 35.93

+ Kelly Sotherton, GBR, 76
1 40.81 H Gotzis 30 May 04
2 38.89 Nottingham 1 May 05
3 37.66 H Beijing 16 Aug 08
4 37.21 H Götzis 29 May 05
5 36.83 H Talence 14 Sep 08
6 34.31 Birmingham 13 Jul 08
7 34.17 Bath 4 Jul 09
8 33.70 Potchefstroom 23 Jan 09
9 33.57 Loughborough 16 Jul 05
10 33.30 Loughborough 22 May 05

PS see great hurdle pic of C, D & E
www.tilastopaja.org/db/atw.php?ID=8574&Odd=1

[Thornhill]

Some great info d pickup and what a great website link you added in there.

I suppose your right about Coe or others holding British Records, but if Ennis manages 5 they will all be in Championship recognised events.

The real weakness in Ennis Heptathlon though is her Long Jump, the tables highest scoring event at 3pts a cm. A PB of 6.44m indoors and in only her second year on the change of feet seems to suggest a real change. When you consider that Denise Lewis best was 6.69m and 6.77m windy +3.0m/s Jessica isn't that far away.

If it's any compensation Ennis is the highest scoring British Heptathlete in a Championship competition beating Lewis who scored 6724 in Seville in 1999.

With Lewis only other 2 better scores coming in Gotzis 6736 and Talance 6831 meetings with great combined events atmospheres and set up for good scores.

It has to be said so far Ennis ability to produce on the "Big Stage" is amazing.

[d pickup]

Thornhill, Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:07 pm
Glad you liked things & Tilastopaja is rich with goodies even for non-subscribers (including moi); your points are nice prompts - for the next few days!

- National Records:
-- Radcliffe has 5 'fairly standard' events (3k, 5k, 10, 1/2-mar, mar)
-- Johanna Jackson has 4 walk records (3k, 5k, 10k rd, 20k rd); 10k tr: for the taking
-- Ennis:
--- 100h: 12.81; 0.1 off Angela Thorp's 12.80, '96
--- HJ: 1.95 with Diana Elliott-Davies ('82) & Susan Jones ('01)
--- HEP 6731, '09: 100pts off GBR rec 6831 Denise Lewis '00
--- DEC not done; 6542 Julie Hollman, b.77, 1.77m/70kg, 21sep97; a challenge?
--- 60H (in) 7.95
--- HJ (in) 1.94; 1cm off Debbie Marti's 1.95, '97
--- PEN (in) 4937; rec from Kelly Sotherton by a 'Mary Peters win in Munich '72 OLY' margin of 10 pts

re HJ: how will HJ specialist Vicki Hubbard, b.'89, 1.92 & rising, do this season?

re HEP:
Ennis's '09 details:
12.93/-0.4 - 1.92 - 14.14 - 23.25/+0.0 / 6.29/-0.8 - 43.54 - 2:12.22 = 6731

Lewis's '00 details:
13.13/ 1.0 - 1.84 - 15.07 - 24.01/ 3.6 / 6.69/-0.4 - 49.42 - 2:12.20 = 6831
Lewis's '97 details:
13.32/ 1.0 - 1.82 - 14.33 - 24.10/0.8 / 6.77w/3.0 - 52.30 - 2:16.70 = 6736
Lewis's '99 details:
13.61/-0.5 - 1.87 - 16.12 - 24.26/-0.3 / 6.64/0.2 - 47.44 - 2:16.87 = 6724

re DEC:
events: 100 - DT - PV - JT - 400 // 100H - LJ - SP - HJ - 1.5k

8358 Austra Skujyte, LTU, '79, 1.88m/76kg, 15/04/05 WR
12.49/1.6 - 46.19 - 3.10 - 48.78 - 57.19 / 14.22/2.4 - 6.12/1.6 - 16.42 - 1.78 - 5:15.86
HEP PB 6435 '04; PEN PB 4740 '07

6599 10th world best all-time
13.50/0.1- 26.24 - 3.30 - 37.38 - 1:02.18 / 15.32/0.3 - 5.42/1.2 - 12.27 - 1.66 - 5:28.26

6542 Julie Hollman, 20, b.16feb77, 1.77m/70kg, Ahlen GER, 21sep97 GBR rec
Hollman's 6542 effort was done early in her long career (1991-2008).

I am unable to find the details of the 10 events.

Can anyone help with that?

Julie's PBs in DEC events:
100: ?; DT: ?; PV: ?; JT: 42.80 ('06); 400: ? // 100H: 13.81 ('02/'06); LJ: 6.51 ('00); SP: 13.06 ('08); HJ: 1.85 ('03/'06); 1.5k: ?
Her other PBs: 200: 24.36 ('07); 800: 2.15.83 ('03); 60H 8.52 ('06); PEN 4498 ('06); HEP 6135 ('02).

Ennis DEC
100: 11.68 (1014); DT: ?; PV: ? JT: 46.47 (792); 400: ? // 100H: 12.81 (1153); LJ: 6.44 (988); SP: 14.14 (803); HJ: 1.95 (1171); 1.5k: ?

DT, PV & 1.5k might be hard going for Ennis.

Let's give her DT: 31.96m (500); PV: 2.83 (500), 400: 59.99 (700); 1.5k: 5.11.88 (750).

So what do we get, with non-PB for her usual events; even lower options on the 'new' events are after included after '---'
event --- PB -------- sub-PB
100: 11.68 (1014); 11.80 (991)
DT: ?; 31.96m (500) --- (or lower? 26.65 [400], 21.21 [300])
PV: ?; 2.83 (500) --- (or lower? 2.55 [400], 2.25 [300], 1.93 [200] - HJ height!)
JT: 46.47 (792); 44.00 (744)
400: ? 59.99 (700) --- (or lower? 62.58 [600], 65.37 [500])
//
100H: 12.81 (1153); 13.00 (1124)
LJ: 6.44 (988); 6.35 (959)
SP: 14.14 (803); 14.00 (793)
HJ: 1.95 (1171); 1.90 (1106)
1.5k: ?; 5.11.88 (750) --- ( or lower? 5.19.95 [700], 5.28.24 [650], 5.36.86 [600])

Very theoretical DEC total = 8167 (2nd on world all-time list behind WR of 8358 and just ahead of 2nd slot of 8150 marie Collonville, FRA, in '04

see
www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout= ... etail.html

[Thornhill]

d pickup can't ever see Ennis doing a Decathlon and I think she has been quoted in the press with regard to that one, but always interesting.

I do however remember her coach suggesting that her best event would be the 400mH. I think this was quoted in the Daily Mail a few years back.

I certainly would be one person who would be interested to see what Ennis could produce for the 400m.

[d pickup]

Thornhill, Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:20 pm
No DEC for Ennis; an easy record for somebody.

Instead 400H: the killer event.
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Thornhill, Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:07 pm
You suggest, re LJ: 'the tables highest scoring event at 3pts a cm', which I'm not sure how to handle, there being time events and distance events. What we both want to reflect on of course is the rewards possible for improving in each of the 7 events.

Certainly multi-event athletes aren't going to invest lots of training time to very greatly improve their MD times for instance, though it was interesting to see that the sharpness over 1km that Eaton showed in his recent HEP (M) in WR of 2.32.67 is the fastest in the IAAF HEP all-time list (top 30 performers & additonal performances from 6499-6144) and the dispossessed WR-holder O'Brien's has the slowest with 2.57.96.

see
www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout= ... etail.html

My figures below are for at the level Ennis operates at:
100H: 1pt / 0.1
HJ: 13pts / 1cm
SP: 1pt / 1cm
200: 1pt / 0.1
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LJ: 3pt / 1cm ... above 6.60m the odd 4pts / cm is slipped in; their frequency increases higher up eg at 6.60, 6.64, 6.68, 6.71 ... 7.43, 7.45, 7.47
JT: 1pt / 5cm
800: 1pt / 0.7s

Perhaps only Ennis and her coach can decide which event(s) they can get the most points from for the least effort.

LJ
dist -- pts
6.90 1139
6.80 1105 - Fountain territory
6.70 1072 - Chernova territory
6.60 1040
6.50 1007 - Dobrynska territory
6.40 0975 - Ennis territory
6.30 0943
6.20 0912

Ennis
6.44i P Doha 13 Mar 2010 = 988pts
6.43 0.4 1 Loughborough 29 Jul 2009
6.40 -0.3 H Desenzano del Garda 6 May 2007
6.39i 1 Loughborough 9 Jan 2010
6.37 0.7 -c1 Manchester 2 Jun 2007
6.35 1.0 2 Loughborough 20 May 2007
6.33 0.1 H Osaka 26 Aug 2007
6.33i 2 Glasgow 26 Jan 2008
6.33 1 Derby 3 May 2008
6.29 -0.8 H Berlin 16 Aug 2009
Av: 6.37 = 965pts

What's the worth of Ennis improving?: 6.50 (1007); 6.55 (1023); 6.60 (1040)

Chernova
6.78 1.6 H Götzis 1 Jun 2008 = 1099pts
6.72i P Penza 3 Feb 2010
6.65i 3 Krasnodar 30 Jan 2010
6.65i 4 Moskva 27 Feb 2010
6.62i P Doha 13 Mar 2010
6.61 1.2 H Arles 3 Jun 2007
6.61i P Tallinn 16 Feb 2008
6.53i P Moskva 17 Jan 2010
6.50 -0.1 H Berlin 16 Aug 2009
6.47 0.4 H Beijing 16 Aug 2008
Av: 6.61 = 1043pts

Dobrynska
6.63 0.3 H Beijing 16 Aug 2008
6.56 0.9 M Niort 29 Jul 2006
6.49i 3 Kyiv 13 Jan 2006
6.43i P Budapest 5 Mar 2004
6.42i P Sumy 14 Feb 2004
6.42i P Sumy 18 Feb 2010
6.41 0.0 H Talence 17 Sep 2006
6.41 0.6 H Berlin 16 Aug 2009
6.38 -0.7 20q Berlin 21 Aug 2009
6.36i P Tallinn 16 Feb 2008
Av: 6.45 = 991pts

Fountain
6.89 0.6 1 Luzern 15 Jul 2009
6.88 1.6 H Eugene OR 28 Jun 2008
6.80 1.8 1 Paris 9 Sep 2009
6.79 1.2 2 Berkeley CA 25 Apr 2009
6.72 0.0 2 Tallinn 25 Aug 2009
6.70 -1.0 4 Eugene OR 3 Jul 2008
6.70Ai 3 Albuquerque NM 28 Feb 2010
6.68i P State College PA 29 Jan 2010
6.67 -0.9 H Götzis 29 May 2005
6.66 1.6 1q Eugene OR 30 Jun 2008
Av: 6.75 = 1089pts

Lewis
6.69 PB

Sotherton
6.79 PB; 6517 '08: 6.33; 6439 '08: 6.21; 4852 '08: 6.45; 6547 (PB) 05: 6.67
Plenty there a long way short of her LJ PB.

[d pickup]

NEW THREATS TO TOP 4? pt.1

Are C(hernova), D(obrynska), E(nnis) & F(ountain) threatened this year in the HEP by any rising stars?

1st a look back at 2009's HEP

HEP 2009 top 10
1 6731 Jessica Ennis GBR '86 1.65m/57kg
12.93/-0.4, 1.92, 14.14, 23.25/0.0, 6.29/-0.8, 43.54, 2:12.22
1135 ----- 1132 -- 803 --- 1054 ---- 940 ----- 735 ----- 932 = 6731 (PB)

2 6558 Nataliya Dobrynska UKR '82 180/72
13.87/-1.5, 1.79, 15.13, 24.66/1.5, 6.73w/2.8, 47.03, 2:12.96
997 ------- 966 -- 870 ----- 918 ----- 1082 ----- 803 --- 922 = 6558 (PB 6733 '08)

3 6493 Jennifer Oeser GER '83 176/64
13.62/-0.4, 1.83, 14.29, 24.30/-0.2, 6.42/1.0, 46.70, 2:14.34
1033 ----- 1016 - 813 ---- 952 ------- 981 ---- 796 --- 902 = 6493 (PB)

4 6471 Kamila Chudzik POL '86 176/64
13.50/-0.4, 1.74, 15.10, 24.33/-0.2, 6.55/0.2, 48.72, 2:18.58
1050 ------ 903 -- 868 ---- 949 ------ 1023 ---- 835 -- 843 = 6471 (PB 6494 '08)

5 6445 Hanna Melnychenko UKR '83 178/58
13.45/-0.7, 1.82, 13.33, 24.18/0.3, 6.52w/2.1, 45.11, 2:15.04
1058 ----- 1003 - 749 ---- 963 ------ 1014 ----- 766 -- 892 = 6445 (PB)

6 6423 Lyudmyla Yosypenko UKR '84
13.69/-0.1, 1.86, 12.90, 24.02/1.3, 6.19/1.5, 51.30, 2:17.82
1023 ----- 1054 - 721 ---- 979 ------ 908 ---- 885 --- 853 = 6423 (PB)

7 6396 NR NUR Aiga Grabuste LAT '88 178/66
13.66/-0.2, 1.77, 14.56, 24.73/-1.7, 6.62w/2.1, 46.11, 2:17.74
1027 ------ 941 -- 831 ---- 912 ------ 1046 ----- 785 --- 854 = 6396 (PB)

8 6386 Tatyana Chernova RUS '88 189/63
13.58w/2.9, 1.75, 12.59, 24.15/0.4, 6.39/0.2, 51.30, 2:13.93
1039 ------- 916 -- 700 ---- 966 ------ 972 --- 885 --- 908 = 6386 (PB 6618 '08)

9 6355 Lilli Schwarzkopf GER '83 174/63
13.58w/2.9, 1.75, 13.88, 25.43/1.2, 6.23/-0.5, 55.25, 2:15.72
1039 ------- 916 -- 786 ---- 848 ----- 921 ------ 962 --- 883 = 6355 (PB 6536 '08)

10 6323 Antoinette Nana Djimou Ida FRA '85 175/69
13.44/-0.2, 1.77, 14.04, 24.83/-0.3, 6.32/-0.7, 47.93, 2:17.72
1059 ------ 941 -- 797 --- 902 ------- 949 ---- 820 ---- 855 = 6323 (PB)

6 with PBs in the year and the other 4 with PB's in '08. These top 10 look to be active, still improving, mostly youngish ie up and coming.

Some in thess '09 HEP top-10 were not selected for the Doha PEN, including 2 of the 3 UKR athletes listed; also is Blonska (UKR, '77, UKR rec 6832, '07) going to return?

6832, NR, Lyudmyla Blonska, UKR, '77, '07
13.25/+0.1 - 1.92 - 14.44 - 24.09/+0.3 / 6.88/+1.0 - 47.77 - 2:16.68
1087 ------- 1132 -- 823 ------ 972 ------- 1132 ------ 817 ---- 869 = 6832 (PB)

This rec is 1 more than Denise Lewis's GBR rec, '00
13.13/1.0 - 1.84 - 15.07 - 24.01/3.6 / 6.69/-0.4 - 49.42 - 2:12.20
1105 ----- 1029 -- 866 ----- 980 ----- 1069 ------ 849 ---- 933 = 6831 (GBR rec)

Lewis's GBR rec will not be an easy topple for Ennis.

[roseben]

How about for JE this year;

12.90; 1.90; 14.40; 23.10; 6.45; 44.10; 2.10.50 a new record I think.

[lsabre]

Don't know how many of those Jessica manages to pull in a single Heptathlon, although I should expect her to range near her PBs in very much every discipline as is her habit on the big stage (ie, Barcelona), but I would go for the following as concerns her this season:

100mh 12.65-12.70
HJ 1.96-1.98
SP 14.40-14.50
200m 22.90-23.00
LJ 6.55-6.60
JT 50-51
800m 2:07-2:08

[SteveK26]

D Pickup
I think you may have mis-quoted the pts calculator:
100 Hurdles is more likely to be 1 pt. per .01 (not .1), similarly
200 metres is 1 pt per .01 (again not .1 as you quote).
I'm sure just a mis-print on your side.
As regards emphasis of training, I guess it must be about weighing power gains (achieved through heavy weight-training)against possible endurance and flexibility losses.By this I mean you may train to throw the shot further but then lose time in the 800 carrying the extra pounds with you.And maybe not jump so high as well for the same reason.
I think if you look at Ennis' physique you might come to the conclusion that she trains to achieve best possible conditioning, and will improve less dramatically in the throws from now on.It will be technique rather than markedly improved strength that takes her forward in the power events.
In my opinion she will improve most in the long-jump from now on, since this is the event she has had to almost re-learn.Distances of around 6-60 +should be possible with her speed and agility.If she achieves this the others are going to find her nigh-on impossible to beat.

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roseben, Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:30 pm
Nice to see you predicting. You said:
'12.90; 1.90; 14.40; 23.10; 6.45; 44.10; 2.10.50 a new record I think.'
1140 - 1106 - 821 - 1069 - 991 - 746* -- 957** = 6830
* 44.12 = 747; 44.07 = 746
** 958 = 2.10.48; 957 = 2.10.55

Lewis's GBR rec is 6831. I suspect you went up instead of down with the JT & 800.

Anyway, seems reasonable:
- below PBs in 100H by 0.9s, in HJ by 5cm, in JT by 2m37cm, in 800 by 0.62s
- above PBs in SP by 36cm, in 200 by 0.05s, in LJ by 1cm

You appear quite careful in the 100H & HJ
We might see even more progress by her in the SP & LJ. The 150m in Manchester (mid-May) might give a pointer on her potential 200 state.

So indeed Gotzis (29-30may10) might be the scene for a new GBR rec.
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lsabre, Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:54 pm
Nice to see your predictions too. You see Ennis's PBs this year as follows:
100mh 12.65-12.70
HJ 1.96-1.98
SP 14.40-14.50
200m 22.90-23.00
LJ 6.55-6.60
JT 50-51
800m 2:07-2:08

So improvements of:
- 0.11-0.16 in 100H - ambitious
- 1-3cm in HJ - possible
- 26-36cm in SP - probable
- 11-16cm in LJ - probable
- 3.53-4.53m in JT - possible
- 1.88-2.88s in 800m - possible

Watch this space I guess.
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SteveK26, Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:03 am
Whoops by me re 100H: yes 1pt = 0.01 (not 0.1) & 200: yes 1pt = 0.01 (not 0.1). Thank you.

(More, lots more, on your other points at the weekend + pt 2 of 'new threats).

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Ennis unfazed by Dobrynska's world record claims

And quite right too

For herself Ennis claims she is in the shape of her life.

Her next meets:
- Yorks Champs May 9.
- Manchester Great City Games 150m may 16th

see
www.morethanthegames.co.uk/athletics/29 ... ord-claims

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SteveK26
I see you put, re Ennis, b.'86 (in 'Read It In The News! UK', Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:04 am) 'she remains way ahead of her contempories'.

Ennis's PB is 6731, and she will surely add the needed 101pts to that this season to beat Lewis's 6831 GBR rec, even inch towards 6900.

Dobrynska, b.'82, may be indulging in silly talk suggesting she is going for the HEP WR (7291) this year, but she won the OLY 08 and has perhaps taken until early this year to refocus. With her 1.80m / 75kg frame she has power potential. If not as nippy as Ennis with the runs and hurdles, or as agile with the HJ, she has superior LJ, SP, & JT. I predict she'll improve her PB of 6733 this year.

Chernova, b.88, has matured as an athlete this year. With her rangy body (1.89m & 63kg) she is the best of the top 4 in 3 events: 800, LJ & JT. I predict she will improve her PB of 6768w, of '07! this year.

Fountain, b.'81, has had a checkered career for one reason or another but her PEN PB was created in Doha, and there is evidence to suggest she will beat her HEP record (6667, '08) this year.

I don't feel Enni's clear superiority can be taken for granted, yet, even if she may end up No.1.

We'll all indulge in some firmer predictions once we've seen a few '10 (out) season performances; nothing seen for instance of Chernova or Dobrynska on that front, just one 100H perfomance by Fountain, and a JT by Ennis.

[SteveK26]

D Pickup
The reasons that Jess is clear of the others (imo) are as follows:
* She has fantastic conditioning, power and speed,and endurance.Look at her physique...smaller than all her main rivals, but hardly an ounce wasted.Amazingly strong for her size.Other British athletes would do well to look at her training programme even if they are not necessarily heptathletes.
*Despite her size she is not especially vulnerable in the throwing events;you would normally expect a high jumper of her talent to struggle more in shot and javelin.Whilst they are obviously not her strongest events, mid 14's in shot and heading towards low 50's in javelin are not exactly weaknesses.Her long jump is likely to improve dramatically this year (I predict).
*She appears to have a very calm (outwardly) nature, and does not succumb to pressure situations.Very Daleyesque.
*Her only weakness has been her dodgy foot, but touch wood that problem appears to be behind her.
In my honest opinion had she not been forced out of Beeijing she would be Olympic champion.She can put that right in London.The one person that stands between her and regular gold would seem to have given up the event.Iwould go a long way to watch Ennis v Kluft both at their peaks!

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SteveK26, Sat May 01, 2010 8:38 am

I am happy to go along with all you say, including the OLY '08 gold if she'd not been injured, and an imagined Ennis v Kraft scenario - magic indeed, which of course prompts placing here their best performances.

7032 Carolina Klüft SWE 02/02/1983 1 Osaka 26/08/2007
13.15/+0.1 - 1.95 - 14.81 - 23.38/+0.3 / 6.85/+1.0 - 47.98 - 2:12.56
1102 ------- 1171 -- 848 ---- 1041 ------- 1122 ------- 821 ---- 927 = 7032 PB

6731 Jessica Ennis GBR 28/01/1986 1 Berlin 16/08/2009
12.93/-0.4 - 1.92 - 14.14 - 23.25/+0.0 / 6.29/-0.8 - 43.54 - 2:12.22 )
1135 ------- 1132 --- 803 --- 1054 -------- 940 ------ 735 ----- 932 = 6731 PB

From the comments in this topic we can see something of how Ennis will bridge that 301pts gap.
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This topic I titled PEN HEP DEC, and if on the HEP/PEN front I hope that Ennis does win this summer ... OLY '12, it makes a more interesting, and necessarily complex, journey towards the big champs if there is exploration of all the possible finalists.

I will watch, as I am sure you will, with great interest, the progress this season of C, D & F and any other emerging performers, including past stars Somerton? & Blonska?

[SteveK26]

I've a lot of time for Sotherton and would love to see her back to her best and injury-free.Blonska you can keep.
Should be a very interesting year for the event, at the very least.

[lsabre]

So, D Pick Up, you regard an improvement of 0.11-0.16 secs over 100mh as ambitious rather than possible when Jessica improved by 0.23 secs this winter over a shorter hurdle distance (60mh)?

[bibby]

I must say that a 12.6 -12.7 is highly ambitious for JE. I think it very unlikely that she will be doing quicker than 12.70 this or any season.

Dpickup, what is the WR for the 100m hurdles during a Heptathlon, and also the WR for 100m hurdles by a Heptathlete during any competition.?