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Postby Kermit » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:13 am

In the build up to the World Championships I thought I would open this thread. I will include all IAAF reports, and videos of the key athletes for as many of the events as possible. And as many streams as possible for those who have to work but can still see the events on their pc. Hopefully the statos will provide information as well.

If it works, it will be the most comprehensive preview and review anywhere on the net!
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Postby Kermit » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:20 am

Provisional event start list has now been released

http://berlin.iaaf.org/mm/document/comp ... f12618.pdf
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Postby roseben » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:41 pm

Please not that the statements in the Press ( this mornings Times supplement gives Saturday 15 th August progs) about ''live coverage'' of the Championships in Berlin is quite deliberately misleading and not correct.; this is down to the BBC.

The Athletics programme from Berlin , next Saturday morning, starts in Berlin at 10.05 a.m., Berlin Summer Time ,which would be 8.05 a.m. in this country; since Beeb coverage starts at 10.05 here, the first two hours cannot be direct, but are recorded as BBC2 desires
You will be seeing on the BEEB recorded highlights, not live coverage, except that the very end of the morning session in Berlin could conceivably be live
A further check on the Timetable is easily available on the Net, IAAF, and the events in the afternoon start at 18.15 BERLIN time which in the Summer is two hours ahead of GMT, not 1 hour as normal.
Thus the BEEB 2 coverage which starts at 4.45p.m GMT , 6.45 p.m. Berlin time, will ceratinly not be live until the start of the 100m Mens quarter finals 18.50 which is 4.50 p.m. GMT.

To confuse matters further, the IAAF site gives the start times in Berlin time and also ones own domesic time(GMT here) which only shows a 1 Hour difference; my Googling has discovered sites saying a 1 hour difference and also 2 hour difference.????

I have no doubt that there are other forms of watching which are not BBC2 and those people may well be watching completely live athletics during the Champs.Brit Eurospsort, I assume.



BTW, Does it not make one feel brassed off that a Harrier nation like GB has no entrants in the mens 10k, Marathon, womens 5 and 10 K ? . But, Lo and behold, India who hardly bother seriously with track, currently, with no real tradition in the endurance events has an entrant in the Mens 10 k who has achieved a B , 28.02 . Not us.

What a shameful situation. :cry: What do the UKA Endurance experts, administartors , coaches etc , including some that disappeared in the last year, have to say about it.
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Postby Kermit » Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:34 pm

Sorry Benny, Berlin is 1 hour ahead according to "foxclock"
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Postby mump boy » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:21 pm

roseben wrote: What a shameful situation. :cry: What do the UKA Endurance experts, administartors , coaches etc , including some that disappeared in the last year, have to say about it.


it ha nothing to do with administrators or coaches and everything to do with athletes !!
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Re: Berlin

Postby Jon Mulkeen » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:52 pm

Kermit wrote:I will include all IAAF reports
Please, please, PLEASE do not continue with your habit of copying-and-pasting whole articles onto this forum, as it contravenes copyright laws. Posting a snippet (first couple of lines) and a link to the article is more than sufficient. Thanks.
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Postby Kermit » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:28 pm

Well that's me slapped!

Ok no problem
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Postby roseben » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:32 pm

Kermit, I always thought it was one hour until I read in addition to all the sites that say it is 1 hour, a site that talks about Central European Summer time and GMT/UTC offset +2.00 hours. Funny ???

BTW we still won't see the first hour direct cos the Heptathlon 100m hurdles will be at 10.10 Berlin time, thats presumably 9.10 our time and the TV starts at 10.a.m. acc to my info. The BBC Athletics coverage site I read somewhere on the net was 9.a.m. when in fact its 10.a.m.

Any one know for certain if the internet streaming is available for watching everything direct.???
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Postby Kermit » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:42 pm

I'm still searching for the stream. I had read earlier in the year that the IAAF had signed an agreement for a stream to take place
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Postby Kermit » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:42 pm

Good news

Feeds for all sessions are now coming through. Am still looking for the ultimate feed!
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Postby Oleg » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:07 am

roseben wrote:Kermit, I always thought it was one hour until I read in addition to all the sites that say it is 1 hour, a site that talks about Central European Summer time and GMT/UTC offset +2.00 hours. Funny ???


You're right, there is a 2 hour difference between GMT and European summer time. We're on British summer time though whch is +1 on GMT so the diff is 1 hour.
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Postby BernardII » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:47 am

I think there's coverage on BBCi from 9 to 10.
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Postby lsabre » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:35 am

I reckon this link is going to be most useful too with a detailed schedule of events, start-lists and results through the World Champs:

http://berlin.iaaf.org/index.html
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Postby lsabre » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:27 pm

Let's see whom the other British athletes in action on the first day of the championships have drawn to face tomorrow:

Men's 1500m
Thankfully, all three British milers have been drawn in the last three heats, enhancing their chances to move through to the semifinals even as fastest losers.
Olympic finalist Andy Baddeley, who's just returned to action, goes into the third heat against fastest in-the-world Augustine Kiprono Choge (KEN, 3:29.47), Lopez Lomong (USA, 3:32.94), Tarek Boukensa (ALG, 3:31.90) and Amine Laalu (MAR, 3:31.56) so will have his work cut out in a tough heat.

But with 5 gaining automatic qualification from each heat, Baddeley should edge through safely as he will be aiming to move into higher gears through the rounds, reaching his best form in the final.

Tom Lancashire is faced with a daunting task in the face of reigning champion Bernard Lagat (USA, 3:32.56), effective Olympic champion Asbel Kipruto Kiprop (KEN, 3:31.20), seasoned 2004 Olympic bronze medallist Rui Silva (POR, 3:34.18 ), Juan Carlos Higuero (ESP, 3:32.59), Anter Zerquelaine (ALG, 3:31.21) plus local favourite Carsten Schlangen (3:34.60) in the second heat so will be drawing a great deal on his recent PB over 1000m to upset the odds.

Rookie European U23 silver medallist James Brewer will be tested against the likes of Haron Heitany (KEN, 3:30.20), Deresse Mekonnen (ETH, 3:32.18 ), Yusuf Saad Kamel (BRN, 3:31.56), Mohammed Moustaoui (MAR, 3:32.60), former great Reyes Estevez (ESP, 3:38.63) and Stefan Eberhardt (GER, 3:33.92) in the last heat but with four fastest losers spots up for grabs and a likely fast pace he could scramble through, possibly in a new PB as well.
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Postby lsabre » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:37 pm

Kate Dennison will be attempting to make her first ever global final in the pole vault in the Group A, the qualification standard just above her new UK record at 4.60m.

Among the big names in her pool are former Olympic champion Stacy Draguila (USA), South American record holder Fabiana Murer (BRA, 4.82), Ana Rogowska (POL, 4.80) and Yulia Golubchikova (RUS, 4.75).
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Postby lsabre » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:45 pm

In the men's 400mh, season's revelation David Greene should qualify comfortably from the last heat as he is easily the third fastest in the field with 48.62 secs, with three going through by right. Olympic champion Angelo Taylor (USA, 48.30) and Monaco winner LJ van Zyl (SAF, 47.94) start as favourites in this one.

European bronze medallist Rhys Williams, on the other hand, will have to run out of his skin to make the next stage drawn against Bershawn Jackson (USA, 47.98 ), Javier Culson (PUR, 48.29) and Aussie Tristan Thomas (48.68 ). Yet, he could make one of the four fastest times going through as well. A certain disadvantage will be running from lane eight...
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Postby lsabre » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:51 pm

Finally, sole British representative in the steeplechase Helen Clitheroe looks to have a good case of progressing to her first global final in the event, with 4 through by right and three fastest losers.

Running in the second heat out of three, she faces Yulia Zarudneva (RUS, 9:13.18), Ruth Bisibori Nyangau (KEN, 9:17.85), Jennifer Barringer (USA, 9:25.54) and Habiba Ghribi (TUR, 9:24.40) but in a more level field overall.
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Postby fangio » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:22 am

Roseben said

"BTW, Does it not make one feel brassed off that a Harrier nation like GB has no entrants in the mens 10k, Marathon, womens 5 and 10 K ? . But, Lo and behold, India who hardly bother seriously with track, currently, with no real tradition in the endurance events has an entrant in the Mens 10 k who has achieved a B , 28.02 . Not us.

What a shameful situation. What do the UKA Endurance experts, administartors , coaches etc , including some that disappeared in the last year, have to say about it."

Well for a start I'd say you are mislading, Lemoncello has 27.57, so we do have someone who has gone faster than 28.02.

Secondly I'd point out that it is misleading becasue the Indian athetle recorded his qualifying time last year, so if we are including the entire qualification period Mo farah has beaten 28.02 as well.

Thirdly I would point out that between 1990 and 2009 only 10 brits have beaten 28.02.89, because actually it's quite a good time. In fact only 6 years between 1980 and 2009 have we had 3 brits under 28.02.89, so that's only 6 of 30 years.

In fact it is faster than ANY of our athletes ran in 80 / 89 / 90 / 94 / 01 / 04 / 05 / 06 or 07, as the harrer tradition is somehwat lacking now tha the mediocre times f the 80's can't win you anything anymore.

It is also an Indian National record the previous best being 28.48. So it is a one off performer.
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Postby lsabre » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:07 am

Forgot that Carl Myerscough is in the men's shot qualification by the way, starting off the championships for the British team.
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Postby lsabre » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:47 am

Carl Myerscough has just completed his three attempts with a best effort of 20.17m in his opener, lying currently 9th...
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Postby lsabre » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:11 am

Carl Myerscough has become the first Briton to make a final at the World Champs in Berlin as he came 10th overall with that opening effort of 20.17m. A most welcome surprise as few would have anticipated a finalist in this event!
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Postby lsabre » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:17 am

Wow, what a finish by Jennifer Barringer to steal a place in the women's 3000m SC final out of virtually nowhere!!!

Helen Clitheroe could not live with the pace to finish way off in around 9:39 and out of the final...
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Postby Sportsman29 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:29 am

The Russians looking to maybe having a dodgy championships already. Sidorchenkova looked awful in the steeple chase and nowhere near her mark set less than a month ago.

Then in the mens shot Sidorov who threw 20.92m in their national champs throws exactly 2 meters ! less than that to bomb out of qualifying. Only the Russians can go from such extremes...
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Postby lsabre » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:39 am

Yekaterina Volkova, the reigning world champion, has crashed out of the women's steeplechase final to compound a modest start for the Russian team.
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Postby 100m » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:40 am

Looking forward to this;

Heat 1 - Frater should win
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Postby lsabre » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:40 am

Clitheroe's official time was 9:41.71 by the way...
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Postby plyometric » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:52 am

Few early thoughts:-
Inverdale I think is excellent,
Demise Lewis absolutely dreadful-wooden,nervous and not a nice woman.
Johnson-as always brilliant-well worth his £1million contract
Jackson-nice boy and all that but poor poor poor on tv

I'm going over there on Monday and there are still tickets at every price on every day which is a little sad.

Why take Clitheroe as she was never going to make the final and is in her twighlight yrs?
No mention of course of the drugs bans for Myerscough or Christine O but plenty for DC
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Postby Sportsman29 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:54 am

Because Clitheroe had the qualifying time and deserved to go. Wheres the problem ?
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Postby Roy C » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:55 am

I'm sticking with Eurosport as they are showing all the action!
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