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Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby oKRamxII » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:29 am

First of all, hi everybody!

I don´t know is this right place for this topic so moderators, you are free to correct me :D

Could you see this video (Don´t think that i am spambot now ;D) from 0:45 (length is only 1:10) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v99S4lz0Zls

Is this first runner violating IAAF Rule 163 (Most important part is : 2. Any competing athlete who jostles or obstructs another athlete, so as to impede his progress, shall be liable to disqualification from that event.)?

I would like you to see your opinions, thanks in advance!
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby mump boy » Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:11 am

Michael East 2004 World Indoors DQ
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby LiamRiley » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:12 pm

I can't see any jostling, but the winner definitely did actively attempt to prevent the second athlete passing. It's a blatant case as he is clearly looking at where the runner-up was and responding accordingly to obstruct his path.
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby oKRamxII » Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:41 pm

mump boy wrote:Michael East 2004 World Indoors DQ


Too bad there is not any video, because I didn´t remember situation...
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby Flumpy » Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:50 pm

It was pretty much the same situation as you posted.
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby mump boy » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:12 am

MIcheal East veered so far to the right that Laban Rotich ended up in lane 6 (indoors) and was duly DQ
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby trickstat » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:39 pm

For what it's worth this one is for me slightly worse than the Michael East one as the guy in this one does swerve in both directions to block his opponent while East just edged further and further out. It's all academic really as going by people's comments on Youtube in both incidents the culprit was quite rightly DQ'd.
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby oKRamxII » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:15 pm

You know, I was there watching competition (Croatian national championship) and when I first saw this I couldn´t believe. Because I´ve never seen something like this (unfair) before.

The 1st runner was disqualified immediately after race but some people (his "side) called this decision controversial and unfair. Other side ("bigger side") I was talking to said to me that decision after race (DQ 1st runner) was the only possibility and only fair decision. I´ve agreed with that.

It is always nice to hear some international opinions (in this case yours), and I am glad that you people responded. Every new post is another one good argument :)

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About East, I´ve found more information, too bad that I still can´t find video. It seems not to exist (or be published..).
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby Anthony Treacher » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:47 pm

Things happen.
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby Anthony Treacher » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:18 am

Yes, the first runner did break IAAF rule 163 2 Obstruction by blatantly obstructing the second runner. It was correct to disqualify the first runner. It was good that the officials had the guts to do it.

Mirroring our societies, in athletics it is otherwise "modern" to slate over issues and avoid conflicts at all costs. There is a much nonsense about "being positive" and the need for "flexibilty" and "moving on." That leads to laissez faire in interpreting the rules. The integrity of the IAAF rules must be maintained at all times. That applies to infringements by athletics officers as well as athletes.
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby LiamRiley » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:44 pm

As a wise man once said: "There was a period of remorse and apology; that period needs to be over."
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby Anthony Treacher » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:11 am

Liam, got you. The wronged athlete should forgive the offender who obstructed him. The wronged athlete should also apologise to the offender and the athletics community for being negative and complaining.
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby LiamRiley » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:37 pm

Exactly. More to the point - it's all the other athlete's fault for being behind him in the first place!
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby oKRamxII » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:02 am

Well, he thinks that his last 100m were clean and his disqualification is ridiculous. So, this "circle" cannot be completed :mrgreen:
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby Anthony Treacher » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:02 am

Then he must be some sort of psychopath. But he could still have got way with it. There are always athletics officers who are perversely determined not to give an obviously wronged person the satisfaction of winning a complaint. So an athletics official could happily have dismissed the incident with “rules are meant to be broken.” Or snidely “the obstruction made no difference to the result, the athlete in front would have won anyway.”
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby LiamRiley » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:42 pm

oKRamxII wrote:Well, he thinks that his last 100m were clean and his disqualification is ridiculous. So, this "circle" cannot be completed :mrgreen:

He is most likely a blind egotist then. He won't understand a situation where he is not the best. Usually this comes from parents who spoil their children and take their side regardless of the situation.
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby oKRamxII » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:43 pm

LiamRiley wrote:
oKRamxII wrote:Well, he thinks that his last 100m were clean and his disqualification is ridiculous. So, this "circle" cannot be completed :mrgreen:

He is most likely a blind egotist then. He won't understand a situation where he is not the best. Usually this comes from parents who spoil their children and take their side regardless of the situation.


His father is also his coach so... :)
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby Anthony Treacher » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:35 pm

oKRamXII. What does this guy's coach father say?
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Re: Interesting (controversial) situation to discuss

Postby oKRamxII » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:35 pm

Anthony Treacher wrote:oKRamXII. What does this guy's coach father say?


Someone told me that he said "everything is clean, how this can be for disqualification"... Classic.
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