Jacko Gill

[mump boy]

Threw 20.01 with the senior shot

He's 16

[1937]

Cannot throw this year at Daegu. Too young by IAAF rules; but as he was born in '94 he can compete in London 2012, although only 17 and 7 months. The OG Rules are a little confusing.
No other guy his age or 17 y.o.has ever thrown over 20 m.

In the pictures of him he certainly looks a giant of a lad. World Junior Champion last year at 15 I seem to recall.

[Ursus]

Scary stuff.

Big for age, but in no way over developed yet; plenty of scope for him to develop physically. The ever reliable Wikipedia had him last year at 1.88 & 96 kg.

Very dynamic although also seems plenty of room for technical improvement.

Very early days, but the potential seems virtually unlimited. Will watch with interest.

[Sportsman29]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=10721230

No pressure then....

[d pickup]

Hopefully the coach of Jacko Gill, NZL, 20dec94, 95kg, 1.88m, will not rush his progress. Gill only took his 1st 2 putts.

Next comps
- New Caledonia Noumea in 10 days
- world youth (under-18) championships in Lille, France, in June.

Aims
- beat own world youth record of 23.86m with the much lighter 5kg
- world junior (under-20) gold medal he won in Canada last year.

There is talk of him having the talent to eventually take the WR, so what's along the way:

Note our entries re this athlete in 'Ranking news' topic
- Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:02 pm (sheet 5)
- Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:08 am (sheet

WRs
M 23,12m Randy Barnes 1966 USA 20/05/1990 Los Angeles
U23 22,42m Randy Barnes 1966 USA 17/08/1988 Zurich
U20 20,43m David Storl 1990 GER 06/07/2009 Gerlingen - 1.99m, 111kg; 20.77 '10
U20 22,73m David Storl 1990 14/07/2009 Osterode - SP 6kg
U18 20,01m Jacko Gill 1994 NZL 23/04/2011 Auckland
U18 21,34m Jacko Gill 1994 26/03/2011 Dunedin - SP 6kg
U18 23,86m Jacko Gill 1994 11/12/2010 Hastings - SP 5kg
U16 20,42m Jacko Gill 1994 13/12/2009 Timeru - SP 5kg
U16 21,86m Marin Premeru 1990 25/09/2005 Rijeka - SP 4kg(m)

NZL NRs
M
20,01m Jacko Gill 1994 23/04/2011 Auckland
19.98m Jacko Gill 1994 23/04/2011 Auckland
19,80m Les Mills 1934 03/07/1967 Honolulu

U20
20,01m Jacko Gill 1994 23/04/2011 Auckland
19.98m Jacko Gill 1994 23/04/2011 Auckland
18,57m Jacko Gill 1994 16/10/2010 Nouméa
18,48m Jacko Gill 1994 16/10/2010 Nouméa
17,86m Courtney Ireland 1972 27/04/1991 Huntsville

U18 SP6 21,34m Jacko Gill 1994 NZL 26/03/2011 Dunedin
U18 SP5 23,86m Jacko Gill 1994 NZL 11/12/2010 Hastings
U16 SP5 20,42m Jacko Gill 1994 NZL 13/12/2009 Timeru

http://www.athlerecords.net/pages/records.php

[trevorp]

Here's the deed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83AvZCCUyi0

19.98, 20.01, 4 fouls.

Seems rather a low-key 'competition'.

[d pickup]

'Sensational Jacko Gill sets sights on games medal '

More on this young man.

see
www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/4925 ... ames-medal

[readtherules]

Scary stuff.

Big for age, but in no way over developed yet; plenty of scope for him to develop physically. The ever reliable Wikipedia had him last year at 1.88 & 96 kg.

Very dynamic although also seems plenty of room for technical improvement.

Very early days, but the potential seems virtually unlimited. Will watch with interest.

Tech improvement ?
Think with a fresh mind.
He might have got it very right !

[d pickup]

'Attempt under way to get Jacko Gill to champs'

Daegu

see
www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/4930 ... -to-champs

[d pickup]

'Athletics: Gill sure of cracking Olympic mark again'

DN Galan Meet Stockholm late July'11

see
www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.c ... d=10721929

[d pickup]

'Shot Phenom Jacko Gill Throwing In Pain'

'Competing with the 6kg tomorrow and hopefully I can finally get the World Record for Under 20 with the 6kg ... Throw with a dislocated middle finger and I can't even get pain injections as it is against the doping control recommendations'

see
www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/dis ... arId=57700

Or should this item be in the 'Doping news' topic?

[Javelin Sam]

And still managed 20.96m. Got to wonder what the point was though. Surely the full recovery of the finger is more important non?

[d pickup]

And still managed 20.96m. Got to wonder what the point was though. Surely the full recovery of the finger is more important non?

Javelin Sam

As you say: injury 1st, record 2nd, which is 22.73 David Storl 1990, 14/07/09 (Gill, b.'94 has a PB of 21.34, 26/03/11 - & plenty of time to get this WR for U20 6kg SP)

[Javelin Sam]

I believe, from following him on Facebook, that he is going to be giving discus a go... should be interesting

[Javelin Sam]

He broke the New Zealand record with a throw just under 60m and had a foul on a 61m+ throw...... holy crap!

[mump boy]

What he actually needs to do it take a leaf out of Jodie Williams and get back on school. He has the next 20+ years to throw things what's the hurry

[Kermit]

He seems to have caught the attention of some of the most respected strength & conditioning coaches with one definitely agreeing with Mump's last post. Here is what has just arrived in feedly box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYyaG00q ... e=youtu.be

[readtherules]

Kermit.

This sort of thing was being done 40 yrs ago.
It is not clear the relationship of effort and importance between special stuff and normal stuff.

I recall within the last two years seeing two of our top throws coaches bringing their athletes to demonstate special stuff.It was utterly clear that the athletes had never done the majority of the special stuff.
Thus,cant work out when we are being lied to by incompetant coaches to fit with the politically correct non drug perspective on coaching.

[sidelined]

Thus,cant work out when we are being lied to by incompetant coaches to fit with the politically correct non drug perspective on coaching.

readtherules: are you incapable of posting without going on about the wonders of drugs? The "non drug perspective on coaching" isn't "politically correct", it's CORRECT. If you really think drugs have a place in coaching then I don't think there's a place for you on this forum.

[bevone]

Drugs and JAcko Gill! why are these in the same sentence or even on this site? If ever there was an advert for a guy not taking drugs but throwing a long long way it is this 92kg 6' 3" guy who frankly looks like a 16 year old swimmer - and not the stereotypical shot putter. If anyone is going to cast aspersions at this guy then you have it all wrong. He is challenging the theory that little guys cant throw far - we actually they can!

This guy gets it, he can throw, he feel it and good on him. He also seems a bit of a head case as well if you watch his FB and you tube clips but what a great character to inspire - he is a breath of fresh air and an I CAN guy and he inspires my throwers as well. There is nothing negative about this guy just shock and awe!!!! It seems impossible but he just does it. Good on yer Jacko!!!!!!!!!!

[mump boy]

Thus,cant work out when we are being lied to by incompetant coaches to fit with the politically correct non drug perspective on coaching.

readtherules: are you incapable of posting without going on about the wonders of drugs? The "non drug perspective on coaching" isn't "politically correct", it's CORRECT. If you really think drugs have a place in coaching then I don't think there's a place for you on this forum.[/quot

Amen to that

[mump boy]

Thus,cant work out when we are being lied to by incompetant coaches to fit with the politically correct non drug perspective on coaching.

readtherules: are you incapable of posting without going on about the wonders of drugs? The "non drug perspective on coaching" isn't "politically correct", it's CORRECT. If you really think drugs have a place in coaching then I don't think there's a place for you on this forum.

Amen to that

[trickstat]

Thus,cant work out when we are being lied to by incompetant coaches to fit with the politically correct non drug perspective on coaching.

readtherules: are you incapable of posting without going on about the wonders of drugs? The "non drug perspective on coaching" isn't "politically correct", it's CORRECT. If you really think drugs have a place in coaching then I don't think there's a place for you on this forum.

Totally agree.

Are the drugs concerned hallucinogenic in read the rules' case?

[Kermit]

Kermit.

This sort of thing was being done 40 yrs ago.
It is not clear the relationship of effort and importance between special stuff and normal stuff.

I recall within the last two years seeing two of our top throws coaches bringing their athletes to demonstate special stuff.It was utterly clear that the athletes had never done the majority of the special stuff.
Thus,cant work out when we are being lied to by incompetant coaches to fit with the politically correct non drug perspective on coaching.

The fact that this sort of thing was being done 40 years ago is neither here no there. The fact that a 16 year old is making it look easy is a big thing. And relationship of effort and importance between what you perceive as special stuff and normal stuff is very clear to me. The boy has natural strength combined with speed and timing and his technique is very sound.

As regards the drugs issue, there really isn't anything more that I could add to those of your dissenters.

[readtherules]

Thus,cant work out when we are being lied to by incompetant coaches to fit with the politically correct non drug perspective on coaching.

readtherules: are you incapable of posting without going on about the wonders of drugs? The "non drug perspective on coaching" isn't "politically correct", it's CORRECT. If you really think drugs have a place in coaching then I don't think there's a place for you on this forum.

Totally agree.

Are the drugs concerned hallucinogenic in read the rules' case?

I am not saying that drugs are correct or are a part of coaching but that the political correctness of saying that all can be done without drugs corrupts our understanding of training methods.It may be possible to reach top world class without drugs but what it not at all clear is the part of assistance/special training (by this I do not mean drugs) has to play.When we have top coaches trying to explain assistance exersises when clearly not having a clue I am worried.No one bothers to challenge them as they then fall into they trap of appearing to only accept old methods (drugs).

Has anyone looked at the vid of Armstrong and his 21. 70 (ish) and wondered were his extra 15k has come from.Lets assume he is tested to death and it is not drugs but do we really accept such is done by fast pressups (as done 40 yrs ago).
We are are in very unknown areas of which our understanding is not at all clear.

We are not being lied to by coaches who are actually using drugs but by coaches that have limited understanding and to avoid any drug matters we are being told of fresh methods.Our understanding of fresh methods are so limited and combined with our drug testing programme we are likely to only have the odd heavy thrower in 2012.

[readtherules]

Drugs and JAcko Gill! why are these in the same sentence or even on this site? If ever there was an advert for a guy not taking drugs but throwing a long long way it is this 92kg 6' 3" guy who frankly looks like a 16 year old swimmer - and not the stereotypical shot putter. If anyone is going to cast aspersions at this guy then you have it all wrong. He is challenging the theory that little guys cant throw far - we actually they can!

This guy gets it, he can throw, he feel it and good on him. He also seems a bit of a head case as well if you watch his FB and you tube clips but what a great character to inspire - he is a breath of fresh air and an I CAN guy and he inspires my throwers as well. There is nothing negative about this guy just shock and awe!!!! It seems impossible but he just does it. Good on yer Jacko!!!!!!!!!!

Not saying Gill and drugs.Rather I am saying that that the training methods in the video were used 40 yrs ago.
What is not at all clear is the proportion etc of such.
The anti drug perspective has made the embrace of "Fast traing" so easily accepted that no one has really bothered to find out exactly what is going on(in a non drug way).

[d pickup]

readtherules

I armchair read astronomy and the number of ideas put forward to explain this and that is mind-boggling; plenty have their 15-minutes of fame and then fall back into oblivion for ever - well most of them. Meanwhile the accumulative 'pretty-sound' knowledge re space steadily grows.

Coaching athletics is the same. The modern indulgence in the activity over the last 150 years or so has accummulated a core of 'pretty sound' knowledge. Yes, we have moved on from drink a pint of salty water every day and no sex a week before your event. However we want to further refine our knowledge of how to prepare a human frame for sporting excellence. New ideas abound. Some will prove to be useless, others require further looking into, and some are worthwhile ... and some will be drug-linked.

Finally it must be added that the human body and mind is a bit more complex than outerspace so it will take a tad longer to be totally rational when it comes to being on the coaching field directing the athletes.

[readtherules]

readtherules

I armchair read astronomy and the number of ideas put forward to explain this and that is mind-boggling; plenty have their 15-minutes of fame and then fall back into oblivion for ever - well most of them. Meanwhile the accumulative 'pretty-sound' knowledge re space steadily grows.

Coaching athletics is the same. The modern indulgence in the activity over the last 150 years or so has accummulated a core of 'pretty sound' knowledge. Yes, we have moved on from drink a pint of salty water every day and no sex a week before your event. However we want to further refine our knowledge of how to prepare a human frame for sporting excellence. New ideas abound. Some will prove to be useless, others require further looking into, and some are worthwhile ... and some will be drug-linked.

Finally it must be added that the human body and mind is a bit more complex than outerspace so it will take a tad longer to be totally rational when it comes to being on the coaching field directing the athletes.

Flexing paradigms.
However when political pressure is brought to the problem then any understanding becomes even harder as we get lied to.
Yes,lets try and find ways of matching performances from decades ago but lets accept the role of drugs in the vast vast majority of cases in these performances.Also lets not forget that Howman from WADA has made it clear that only the stupid now get caught.
I agree that there is much to lean but what knowledge we have should not be tainted by political pressure.

[d pickup]

However when political pressure is brought to the problem then any understanding becomes even harder as we get lied to.
Yes,lets try and find ways of matching performances from decades ago but lets accept the role of drugs in the vast vast majority of cases in these performances.Also lets not forget that Howman from WADA has made it clear that only the stupid now get caught.
I agree that there is much to lean but what knowledge we have should not be tainted by political pressure.

readtherules

The barriers of politics and pessimism will be overcome, if slowly; the truth will out, eventually.

A fascinating article in New Scientist today (you may need to register to read it, but free) might be good reading for Mr Howman too.

see
www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028111 ... stand.html

[readtherules]

D pickup.

Thanks.Yes I did have to register;but easy to do.

I particularily like ;

After all, as Richard Feynman famously said, nobody understands quantum mechanics. The point, though, is that chimps don't even know what they don't understand. "It's not that a chimpanzee is struggling to understand quantum mechanics," Rees says. "It's not even aware of it." The question that intrigues Rees is whether there are facets of the universe to which we humans are similarly oblivious. "There is no reason to believe that our brains are matched to understanding every level of reality," he says.

I take the view that there are few posters for whom the whole matter of drugs in sport is not one of obliviousness to reality.
I don't include you.