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Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:48 pm

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index. ... androgens/

There are loads of other links but I thought I would just send the top google one.


This question will test us all and send many more to the food shops .
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby 2dodgy » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:40 pm

Is asking questions on a forum when there is a National Anti-Doping Organisation to whom the quetsion would be better asked a fruitful use of time and effort? Alternatively, is it merely another attempt to muddy the waters and apologise for those who use banned substances?
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:14 pm

2 dodgy

UKAD dont make comments on supplements and even if they did the caveats make their "opinion" worthless.

There are many many matters on this forum where Q's are raised that could be placed to UKA or whatever but all seem happy debating.

The problem is we dont know what a banned product is and we still dont know what a related compund it.On the latter could uyou help.The "authorities" cant when asked.
A lot are happy to jump on the band wagon when an AAF appears or a performance is in doubt but once a Q is raised about the millions spent on WADA then it becomes uncomfortable.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:43 pm

You really are ridiculous. You post a forum thread about what foods to eat to stop getting zits and then ask if a class of substance that occurs naturally in ncertain foods, ie not a supplement is banned. There are so many things wrong with the way you are posting that it marks you out very clearly as an apologist for cheating scum.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:26 pm

big g

Your fail to understand that the differences between foods,supplements and drugs is blurred.I posted before on this but you choose to ignore.
If these products ,taken in specialised forms, do increase T and are taken with such in mind then a resonable question is to ask if they breach any rules.Are they related compounds as they have the same function as banned substances.If not and there are and have been athletes using such for decades then we have a wonderful,legal way of improving performances and thus not cheating.

This link may be of interest.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6882/7/3

By the way the previous link was not about avoiding zits it was about getting androgenic boosts .
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:48 pm

It's an acne forum.....
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:52 pm

It's not blurred. And you don't want any answers, you just keep making less and less specific posts in an attempt to say there is a grey area. It must really hack you off that I don't just say I can't be bothered and keep finding the facts that show there is no grey area. As dodge says, get the name of the substance, and incidentally there isn't a substance named by you yet, and ask UKAD. It's all just nonsense posted by you te try to cloud things.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:56 pm

Oh and dot just post a link to a massive article and say this may be of interest. Why? In what way does it support anything you say? What precise quote frothe article says anything about the drugs being banned or not.

People shouldn't have to guess the point you are making. buts that you, you don't make points supported by evidence. You randomly search for words and then post up unrelated stuff as if this makes your utter tripe true.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:58 pm

BigGut wrote:It's not blurred. And you don't want any answers, you just keep making less and less specific posts in an attempt to say there is a grey area. It must really hack you off that I don't just say I can't be bothered and keep finding the facts that show there is no grey area. As dodge says, get the name of the substance, and incidentally there isn't a substance named by you yet, and ask UKAD. It's all just nonsense posted by you te try to cloud things.


http://www.rain-tree.com/chapter2.htm

You ignored it last time.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:01 am

BigGut wrote:Oh and dot just post a link to a massive article and say this may be of interest. Why? In what way does it support anything you say? What precise quote frothe article says anything about the drugs being banned or not.

People shouldn't have to guess the point you are making. buts that you, you don't make points supported by evidence. You randomly search for words and then post up unrelated stuff as if this makes your utter tripe true.



Taken from the link you rejected.

" Here, we report that the tree bark (cortex) of the Gutta-Percha tree Eucommia ulmoides possesses bimodal phytoandrogenic and hormone potentiating effects by lipidic components."

Is it a related compound.Not one authority can explain what one is.Can you ?
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:41 am

Ask UKAD if it's a related compound, unless of course you don't really want to find out the answer.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:12 am

BigGut wrote:Ask UKAD if it's a related compound, unless of course you don't really want to find out the answer.


They make no comment as it is not a drug but a food or a supplement.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:11 am

What were their exact words and what was your question to them that got that response?
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:39 am

big g

they refer back to the banned list
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:40 am

You haven't actually asked them have you?
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby readtherules » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:32 pm

They have been asked.
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Re: Are phyto-androgens banned ?

Postby BigGut » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:35 pm

That was not the question. HAVE YOU ASKED THEM!!!
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