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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby readtherules » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:42 pm

fangio.

Back to your reliance on tautology again.

"with strict liability there can be no false convictions" My summary.

The point is that how many false convictions are there due to strict liability and what level would you feel is ok.
I wont hold my breath for an answer.
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby readtherules » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:43 pm

BigGut wrote:RTR,

Are you saying that anybody who screams contaminated meat should just be let off?


No,however seems to work in football.
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby fangio » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:57 pm

You really are being ridiculous, the football ones were in a country with a massive problem with clenbuterol in cattle, where literally hundreds of people failed.

I see that you say that you are not saying that anyone who claims they ate contaminted meat shoudl eb let off. Well from all of your posts implying Preistly shoudl be let off that is exactly what you are suggesting. Preistly has provided not one bit of evidence that he ate contaminated meat, not a shred of it, in a country with no record fo a problem. Apart from blame the meat what exactly has he done to evidence it?

If you are not saying that people shodl be let off for just suggesting it was the meat then I look forward to you saying Preistly should remain banned.
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby readtherules » Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:49 am

fangio wrote:You really are being ridiculous, the football ones were in a country with a massive problem with clenbuterol in cattle, where literally hundreds of people failed.

I see that you say that you are not saying that anyone who claims they ate contaminted meat shoudl eb let off. Well from all of your posts implying Preistly shoudl be let off that is exactly what you are suggesting. Preistly has provided not one bit of evidence that he ate contaminated meat, not a shred of it, in a country with no record fo a problem. Apart from blame the meat what exactly has he done to evidence it?

If you are not saying that people shodl be let off for just suggesting it was the meat then I look forward to you saying Preistly should remain banned.


Please make clear were I have implied Priestly should be let of.
Please tell me how many innocent can be justifiable convicted on the alter of strict liability.
Why has WADA done a u turn on being responsible for what you eat and note they have never accepted contamination in other areas ?
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby Geoff » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:30 pm

London 2012 Olympics: evidence of risk to athletes from clenbuterol-tainted meat aids Callum Priestley's claims
Callum Priestley, once considered one of the country’s most exciting track prospects, should have been looking forward to challenging the world’s best sprint hurdlers in the Olympic Stadium in nine months’ time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympi ... laims.html
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby readtherules » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:47 am

Geoff wrote:London 2012 Olympics: evidence of risk to athletes from clenbuterol-tainted meat aids Callum Priestley's claims
Callum Priestley, once considered one of the country’s most exciting track prospects, should have been looking forward to challenging the world’s best sprint hurdlers in the Olympic Stadium in nine months’ time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympi ... laims.html


Clen is not an anabolic steroid,just shows how easy it is for even the best press to fall into a mistake.
WADA/IOC have known about food contamination for decades but to protect their cheap system of justice have chosen to allow many many dozens of athletes to be sacreficed on the scaffold of strict liability.

I suggest readers go on the UKAd site for results and see how many "not guilty but fools "are on the lists.And be aware that for some reason the results in football ,either convictions or clearance tend not to appear.(see C4 programme)
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby readtherules » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:45 am

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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby Geoff » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:27 pm

Judgement day set for Contador's doping case

January 31 - Controversial Spanish cyclist Alberto Contador (pictured) will finally hear the result of his doping case on Monday, Feb 8.

That's the date the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) says it plans to publish its verdict in a case that has dragged on for 18 months.

The CAS announced the date in a statement but added it could still be delayed saying: "A confirmation as to the date and time of the publication of the decision will be given by the CAS at the end of this week."

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/su ... oping-case
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby Geoff » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:38 pm

BBC BREAKING NEWS - Cycling
The Spanish Cycling Federation says the Court of Arbitration for Sport has banned Alberto Contador for two years for doping.

But he will be able to return in August as his ban started in 2010.
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Re: Clenbuterol

Postby Dutch » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:39 am

http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5648/5048/0/FINAL20AWARD202012.02.06.pdf

All quite sane, apart from allowing polygraph evidence credibility apparently on the basis of its practitioners' claims of efficacy. Polygraph "experts" typically claim 95% or so success rate - about the same as dowsers, but in both cases the effects are much weaker (the same as chance, for dowsing).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph#Validity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing#Evidence

Contador's submissions bespeak a certain brassness of neck, but he has form for such an attitude of course, astonishing even cynical cyclisme journalists with his mocking of the suggestion that he could clear his name with a DNA test during Puerto:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Contador#Operation_Puerto

(Sorry for all of the wikipedia links - you can follow through to source if you're interested but these are quite accessible.)
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