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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:52 am

readtherules wrote:
d pickup wrote:readtherules

Drug testing, like climate change, is complex. The scientists must keep refining their data gathering and analysing techniques.


But science that is still evolving should not be imposed on athletes and if found to be faulty then past cases should be reviewed.


readtherules

Cutting edge science takes along with it not only dedicated top-notch researchers who know it will be 99% hard work & 1% inspiration, but also those who cut corners, who want their 15-minutes of fame, who want to make a fast buck, who might or are even prepared to cook the data and results - it’s called cheating (not that I am suggesting, at all, that WADA are cheating!), just as the druggies indulge in cheating.

As Shakespeare has indicated (The Merchant of Venice) ‘truth will out’ - even if it sometimes takes a while.

I do like though: Veritatem dies aperit.
"Time discloses the truth"

readtherules, you might prefer 'Absit reverentia vero'
"The truth shouldn't be silenced to spare someone."
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:53 pm

d pickup

If the tests are 99.99 % correct then if UKAD does 7000 tests then 7 will be wrong and unless you are protected by football or have £200000 then the truth will never out.
Unlike real word there is never any re-opening of old cases.

Some correctly convicted athletes are not cheats.
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Re: Doping news

Postby fangio » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:03 pm

0.01% of 7000 is 0.7 btw.
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:26 pm

Yes ,you are correct.I was trying to do two things at same time.Thank you.
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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:40 pm

readtherules wrote:d pickup

If the tests are 99.99 % correct then if UKAD does 7000 tests then 7 will be wrong and unless you are protected by football or have £200000 then the truth will never out.
Unlike real word there is never any re-opening of old cases.

Some correctly convicted athletes are not cheats.


readtherules

I know (well I think I know?!) that when the LHC think they have found the elusive Higgs boson they will have to have a certainty of 5σ ie 99.9999426697%. How high a certainty should we have therefore in drug testing?
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Re: Doping news

Postby Kermit » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:25 pm

Need to tell the doping authority that there is a change to your whereabouts? There's an app for that! Well, almost!

http://wirelessfederation.com/news/7119 ... hletes-uk/
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:08 pm

d pickup wrote:
readtherules wrote:d pickup

If the tests are 99.99 % correct then if UKAD does 7000 tests then 7 will be wrong and unless you are protected by football or have £200000 then the truth will never out.
Unlike real word there is never any re-opening of old cases.

Some correctly convicted athletes are not cheats.


readtherules

I know (well I think I know?!) that when the LHC think they have found the elusive Higgs boson they will have to have a certainty of 5σ ie 99.9999426697%. How high a certainty should we have therefore in drug testing?


It could be 99.9% and not 99.99%.i will try and check.
Even at 99.99 I think one false positive a year is too much.I can think of three from UK athletics in the last few years that we know about.Modahl ,Hylton and Turnbull.Careers finished by lab mistakes.
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:11 pm

Kermit wrote:Need to tell the doping authority that there is a change to your whereabouts? There's an app for that! Well, almost!

http://wirelessfederation.com/news/7119 ... hletes-uk/


Why dont we use this for those on the specific part of the sex offenders reg.etc etc.
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Re: Doping news

Postby Kermit » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:24 pm

Readtherules if they are iPhone 4 or google android users they may unknowingly have been tracked for months!
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:32 pm

Kermit.

Gee wizz.

Can UKAD use this for filing errors by the footballers who might be on Adams.
And can the info (Adams or otherwise) be used by divorce lawyers and those involved in super injunctions.
C4 are doing a drug/football programme shortly.
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Re: Doping news

Postby trickstat » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:30 pm

readtherules - are you implying that there should be no testing until a 100% foolproof test exists? I am no scientist but I wonder if that is actually possible. To counter this the ability for an athlete to challenge a positive test should be made more accessible.

I suspect the criminal justice system is nowhere near 99.9 or 99.99% accurate in any country.
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Re: Doping news

Postby BigGut » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:50 am

Readtherules,

Trickstat is right, all you want is to allow people to cvheat in sport because no perfect world exists. Innocent people do get banned, we can't change that unless we ban nobody. It isn't the fault of the system it is the fault of the cheats that make all of this necessary.

Every single case would be abandoned if you had your way, as far as I am concerned you are nothing but a supporter of drug cheats. I would rather thave people like you nowhere near this sport.
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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:16 am

BigGut
Humanity does have cheats unfortunately. We must continue to ferret them out. Readtherules appears to know a little about the details of the ferreting, and adds to this topic's worth, even if in his own style; I don't like Elvis Presley's style. I agree with you that we are unlikely to reach perfection, but we must continue to strive to improve the sytem.
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Re: Doping news

Postby BigGut » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:26 am

Look back at his posts. They are all about excuses for drugs failures and why people should be allowed back in after convictions. What does he think about the drugs cheats who take away the aspirations of the many hard working athletes denied their success by cheating, cheats who hide their cheating. If we lived in his world then none of these scum would be banned, because there isnt a 100% test and there is always the chance that they took whatever science tested them for accidentally.

We have strict liability and we have the tests that are available to us right now. If you don't like that then get out of the sport. Nobody forces anyone to do athletics, if you don't like that there is drug testing and that you may be banned from the Olympics for life then go do something else with your life instead and stop whinging.
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:41 pm

BigGut wrote:Look back at his posts. They are all about excuses for drugs failures and why people should be allowed back in after convictions. What does he think about the drugs cheats who take away the aspirations of the many hard working athletes denied their success by cheating, cheats who hide their cheating. If we lived in his world then none of these scum would be banned, because there isnt a 100% test and there is always the chance that they took whatever science tested them for accidentally.

We have strict liability and we have the tests that are available to us right now. If you don't like that then get out of the sport. Nobody forces anyone to do athletics, if you don't like that there is drug testing and that you may be banned from the Olympics for life then go do something else with your life instead and stop whinging.



The problem is that we dont have a clue who cheats.Howman from WADA has said such.We have false positives and false negativesAll that comment on doping matters need a reality check and look beyond the obvious.

I have posted that the use of undetectable insulin in the UK is rife but most posters just want to accept the lies that are presented to them.
The athletes lie that they dont take drugs and the testing bodies lie that they can catch them.Yes we may have to accept a non perfect world but not one that is based on extent of the lies that the niave swallow.
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Re: Doping news

Postby BigGut » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:16 pm

So you agree that you don't want anybody banned. Because it seems to be you saying that you can't ban anyone because the tests aren't 100&% accurrate and you can't prove they took it intentionally and even if they did take it they probably didn't mean to because they were young, niaive, led astray by their coach etc, etc, etc.

The tests are the best we have and we have to fight doping.
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Re: Doping news

Postby mump boy » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:36 pm

BigGut wrote:So you agree that you don't want anybody banned. Because it seems to be you saying that you can't ban anyone because the tests aren't 100&% accurrate and you can't prove they took it intentionally and even if they did take it they probably didn't mean to because they were young, niaive, led astray by their coach etc, etc, etc.

The tests are the best we have and we have to fight doping.


Stop feeding the troll it just encourages him, let him post to himself
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:52 pm

BigGut wrote:So you agree that you don't want anybody banned. Because it seems to be you saying that you can't ban anyone because the tests aren't 100&% accurrate and you can't prove they took it intentionally and even if they did take it they probably didn't mean to because they were young, niaive, led astray by their coach etc, etc, etc.

The tests are the best we have and we have to fight doping.


What do you rely on to say that i dont want anyone banned.Some tests are accurate some not esp for endogenous products.

That they were of tender years should be taken into account by BOA.

How many doubtful positives are you willing to accept ?

Are you happy that Mark Hytons career was finished by a cock up at Kings college ?

WADA accept as lesser ban for being led astray etc;are WADA wrong ?
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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Tue May 03, 2011 1:59 pm

'Ramzi gears up to shine on world stage'

Return from 2may11

OLY '08 1500 gold - disqualified
World Champs '05 800 & 1500 gold

'erythropoiesis-stimulating agent, which is a banned blood-boosting substance'

see
www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=305231
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Re: Doping news

Postby Flumpy » Tue May 03, 2011 8:54 pm

Oh f**k offf!!! :x
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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Wed May 11, 2011 7:47 am

'Athletics-Sprinters' verdicts offer Greece a chance to move on'

Guilty.

see
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10052011/ ... -move.html

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'Greek sprinters appeal sentence for perjury'

see
www.ctpost.com/sports/article/Greek-spr ... 373157.php
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Re: Doping news

Postby readtherules » Wed May 11, 2011 12:07 pm

More comment.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 81985.html

How did they get all the others to lie about the "crash" ?
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Re: Doping news

Postby Kermit » Thu May 12, 2011 10:41 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gordonfarquh ... /wada.html

Interesting blog by Gordon Farquhar about WADA's problems

It also came up with the interesting statistic that it takes 600 out-of-competition tests to find a positive, but only 62 in competition. This, they say, adds weight to their argument that out-of-competition testing is inefficient, and therefore should be brought into question.
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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Sat May 21, 2011 9:44 am

Final item on page.

'This week, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) released Guidelines for Coordinating Investigations and Sharing Anti-Doping Information and Evidence. These guidelines are aimed at helping anti-doping organisations enhance their cooperation and intelligence-sharing with law-enforcement agencies on a global scale. For more details, go to www.wada-ama-org. '

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www.olympic.org/media?articlenewsgroup= ... archpage=1
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Re: Doping news

Postby TheRealSub10 » Sat May 21, 2011 4:37 pm

Kermit wrote:
It also came up with the interesting statistic that it takes 600 out-of-competition tests to find a positive, but only 62 in competition. This, they say, adds weight to their argument that out-of-competition testing is inefficient, and therefore should be brought into question.
That's because they test for stimulants in competition which often contaminate supplements especially with Geranium stem which is what all the recent positives have been for. Yes out of competition is inefficient but it's the best deterrent we have for doping.
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Re: Doping news

Postby trevorp » Sun May 22, 2011 4:26 pm

Why is Oludamola Osayomi still running? Has she served any sort of ban since being stripped of Commonwealth gold last October?
She has just run 10.99 in Brazil (not sure of the wind reading so it might not be a pb):
http://cev.org.br/comunidade/atletismo/ ... -atletismo
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Re: Doping news

Postby TheRealSub10 » Wed May 25, 2011 7:55 am

It was for an over the counter stimulant found in many weight loss products and you usually get a 3 month ban for that.
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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Fri May 27, 2011 8:13 am

'USATF suspends thrower for positive drug test'

'Hammer and weight thrower Thomas Jacob Freeman has been suspended for a year by USA Track and Field for testing positive for a prohibited substance.'

'tetrahydrocannabinol acid, a marijuana metabolite in the class of Cannabinoids ... previously tested positive for tetrahydrocannabinol acid in 2009.'

see
www.universalsports.com/news-blogs/arti ... +drug+test

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'JOHN GOODBODY: Devil is in the detail which appears to be passing WADA by'

'In the fight against doping, accuracy and integrity are essential.'

'[Europe] more than half of all the national anti-doping agencies do not meet the reporting standards required by the WADA Code, which was established in 2003.'

'09 figures only 20 of the 49 actually provided annual reports, only 17 had adequate data and only 11 both published them and sent them to WADA.'

see
www.sportsfeatures.com/olympicsnews/sto ... ng-wada-by

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'The Top 10 Running Doping Scandals of All Time'

The treatherous 10, the traitorous 10, the trickster 10 ...

Jones, Johnson, Gatlin, White, Jacobs, Ramzi, Hellebuyck, Slaney, Shvetsov, Army

see
http://running.competitor.com/2011/05/n ... time_28190
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Re: Doping news

Postby Kermit » Tue May 31, 2011 9:13 pm

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/su ... ed-by-wada

WADA announced today that the Turkish Doping Control Center (TDCC), based at Hacettepe University in Ankara, has been banned from carrying out any WADA-related anti-doping activities for six months, effective immiediately
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Re: Doping news

Postby d pickup » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:21 am

'Kiwi drugs cheat is back in the running again'

Liza Hunter-Galvan is a shock entry in this Sunday's Christchurch marathon – and not everyone is happy. '

'Hunter-Galvan was suspended by the New Zealand Sports Tribunal on August 28, 2009 after she tested positive for the blood-boosting drug erythropoietin (EPO). '

'admitted to taking EPO three times'

'NZOC said recently that under its rules on doping, she would be ineligible to compete at next year's Olympic Games in London. '

Liza Hunter-Galvan Age: 41 Mar Oly '04 51st, Mar OLY '08 35th
PB 2.29.37 '08; 2-yr ban using EPO, May 09.

see
www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/5082 ... ning-again

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6 NGR, 1 MYA, 1 BLR & 1 IND athletes are listed in the latest IAAF Newsletter, No. 123 of 31may11 on the list of 'athletes sanctioned for a doping offence since the last newsletter.'

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www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/06/01/64/60164_PDF_English.pdf
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