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4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby iain » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:33 am

After the debate on the New York thread I though this should probably have its own thread.
Men's Top Ten:
Martyn Rooney - 44.92
Conrad Williams - 45.08
Nigel Levine - 45.11
Luke Lennon-Ford - 45.23
Robert Tobin - 45.47
Richard Buck - 45.61
Louis Persent - 45.77
Michael Bingham - 45.87
Chris Clarke - 46.02
Jack Green - 46.05
+ David Greene?

Women's Top Ten:
Christine Ohuruogu - 50.69
Perri Shakes-Drayton - 51.26
Shana Cox - 51.54
Lee McConnell - 52.31
Nicola Sanders - 52.33
Kelly Massey - 52.38
Emily Diamond - 52.69
Eilidh Child - 52.71
Faye Harding - 52.95
Nadine Okyere - 53.01 (indoor)
+Marilyn Okoro?
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby MysteryBrick » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:13 pm

On the men's side, Rooney has to be anchor leg, while Nigel Levine was really impressive leading off in Rome (sub-45) and should repeat there. Beyond that, there is exciting competition with any of the others mention except Bingham and Clarke (unless there're sudden reversals in form) in with a shout depending on performances. I think Jack Green could be a dark horse - he looked totally comfortable running a 45.2 solo leg in Rome and could go much faster; the only question is whether he can actually get a flat 400 time down to back that up. All said though, it's pretty exciting and the team in London should be capable of something sub-2:58 to get a medal.
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby b-athletics » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:54 pm

MysteryBrick wrote:On the men's side, Rooney has to be anchor leg, while Nigel Levine was really impressive leading off in Rome (sub-45) and should repeat there. Beyond that, there is exciting competition with any of the others mention except Bingham and Clarke (unless there're sudden reversals in form) in with a shout depending on performances. I think Jack Green could be a dark horse - he looked totally comfortable running a 45.2 solo leg in Rome and could go much faster; the only question is whether he can actually get a flat 400 time down to back that up. All said though, it's pretty exciting and the team in London should be capable of something sub-2:58 to get a medal.


i agree, it is really exciting. I also wonder whether Dai will run a decent 400 flat time because I feel he could be a great asset to our relay team.
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby b-athletics » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:59 pm

On the womens side i think is also pretty exciting. I think the likes of Massey has been quite a suprise and I wouldn't be suprised if she got the better of Sanders at the trials. I feel Nicola has been pretty underwhelming this season, although I would love to see her do better, I can't see it happening.
My Womens line up would be:
1st Shana Cox
2nd Lee Mcconnel (provided she improves her SB)
3rd TBO
4th PSD

And with Massey and Sanders in the heats
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby jjimbojames » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:18 pm

MysteryBrick wrote:On the men's side, Rooney has to be anchor leg, while Nigel Levine was really impressive leading off in Rome (sub-45) and should repeat there. Beyond that, there is exciting competition with any of the others mention except Bingham and Clarke (unless there're sudden reversals in form) in with a shout depending on performances. I think Jack Green could be a dark horse - he looked totally comfortable running a 45.2 solo leg in Rome and could go much faster; the only question is whether he can actually get a flat 400 time down to back that up. All said though, it's pretty exciting and the team in London should be capable of something sub-2:58 to get a medal.

Pretty sure Levine did not run sub-45 in Rome - the clock showed when he crossed the finish line, excluding the extra to the end of his actual 400m
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby jjimbojames » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:00 pm

Interesting article here on a numbe of levels re relays and Europeans http://www.european-athletics.org/europ ... cowan.html
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby BernardII » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:54 pm

jjimbojames wrote: Pretty sure Levine did not run sub-45 in Rome - the clock showed when he crossed the finish line, excluding the extra to the end of his actual 400m


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJLgxTEsdnE

Race starts at 2:00. I don't know much about 4x400m split times but it looks like sub-45 to me.
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby jjimbojames » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:07 pm

BernardII wrote:
jjimbojames wrote: Pretty sure Levine did not run sub-45 in Rome - the clock showed when he crossed the finish line, excluding the extra to the end of his actual 400m


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJLgxTEsdnE

Race starts at 2:00. I don't know much about 4x400m split times but it looks like sub-45 to me.

He certainly looks to hand over sub-45 but it's hard to see the changeover lines - he's definitely in great shape either way and ran a sensible lead off
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby trickstat » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:32 pm

BernardII wrote:
jjimbojames wrote: Pretty sure Levine did not run sub-45 in Rome - the clock showed when he crossed the finish line, excluding the extra to the end of his actual 400m


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJLgxTEsdnE

Race starts at 2:00. I don't know much about 4x400m split times but it looks like sub-45 to me.


The split has to be taken on the 800m start line in the lane that the athlete is in. This is when the 3 bend stagger used at international level is in operation. This is often quite tricky to do off the TV as the camera angles are often unhelpful. For the record I've just timed Levine at 45.3 from the above clip. While I certainly wouldn't swear by that time to be accurate to the nearest tenth, I very much doubt that he ran under 45 seconds. Nevertheless, it is still a very decent opening leg.
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby paulouk83 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:58 pm

I cant wait for the trials to give an idea... personally i'd like to test the teams out at the Euros and include Jack Green and Dai Greene to see what kind of splits they can do!

Potential final team- LEVINE- GREEN- WILLIAMS- ROONEY

Womens well again trials will sort this out

Potential final team- MCCONNELL- COX- OHURUOGU- SHAKES

Sanders form needs to be proven, if I was Childs I put a flat 400 run in as she had a great run in the commonwealths!


4x100 wise- men I literally have no idea and i really dont think they do

4x100 women... Jodie WIlliams form unknown, I would LOVE Jessica Ennis to run I think she would be amazing... Oyepitan is the only athlete im 100% sure about form wise! Ennis would be in the final for me if she wants it!
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby BernardII » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:00 pm

trickstat wrote:
The split has to be taken on the 800m start line in the lane that the athlete is in. This is when the 3 bend stagger used at international level is in operation. This is often quite tricky to do off the TV as the camera angles are often unhelpful. For the record I've just timed Levine at 45.3 from the above clip. While I certainly wouldn't swear by that time to be accurate to the nearest tenth, I very much doubt that he ran under 45 seconds. Nevertheless, it is still a very decent opening leg.


Thanks, I didn't know that. A low/mid 45.xx is still a good time on the 1st leg though. For the record, I would go with Levine, Williams, Green and Rooney (not necessarily in that order) for the relay atm but that might change after trials.
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby Flumpy » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:33 pm

paulouk83 wrote:Potential final team- MCCONNELL- COX- OHURUOGU- SHAKES!


Exactly!!!

paulouk83 wrote: Oyepitan is the only athlete im 100% sure about form wise!


Abi tells me that she'snot doing the relay :? :shock: :? :cry: :x
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby sidelined » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:47 pm

Flumpy wrote:Abi tells me that she'snot doing the relay :? :shock: :? :cry: :x


Flumpy, did Abi say why?
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby SteveK26 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:49 am

Womens long relay
I'd be interested to see what E Child could run for the flat 400 now. With her improvement across the barriers evident , it seems likely she might seriously revise her flat PB. If she is now capable of a 51 something, she must be in contention for a slot?
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby mump boy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:40 am

Flumpy wrote:
paulouk83 wrote:Potential final team- MCCONNELL- COX- OHURUOGU- SHAKES!


Exactly!!!

paulouk83 wrote: Oyepitan is the only athlete im 100% sure about form wise!


Abi tells me that she'snot doing the relay :? :shock: :? :cry: :x


Usually i would always have lee on first but she needs to be running low 51 to take up that job. On current form USA, JAM, and RUS will be miles ahead after the fist 2 legs and we know that TBO has to have something to chase, leave her in no mans land and there is no points, she'll just jog round and won't make up any ground at all.

I don't know what to do at the moment without nicola we're a bit stuck :(
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby richard1980 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:07 am

Ideally Cox Shakes Drayton TBO Sanders - if they could all do sub 50 legs. Not lookin like that atm so - Cox Lee Mc, TBO and Shakes Drayton.

Nicola will sack of the 400m after London anyhow, so this is the last time she will figure in the debate. Its aleady been hinted at on twitter. Sham Abi wont do the 4x4. To be honest, Cox, TBO, Shakes Drayton will be running, to me as Lee Nicola and the rest (who are in contention for a relay place) are running low 52s just pick a name out of the hat :?

I suppose people still have time to find their top form.
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby jjimbojames » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:15 pm

richard1980 wrote:Ideally Cox Shakes Drayton TBO Sanders - if they could all do sub 50 legs. Not lookin like that atm so - Cox Lee Mc, TBO and Shakes Drayton.

Nicola will sack of the 400m after London anyhow, so this is the last time she will figure in the debate. Its aleady been hinted at on twitter.

What have you seen that suggests that?!?!? Any hint as to wha could be round the corner?
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby richard1980 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:17 pm

A few months ago cant remember the exact wording - i think it was Marolyn Akoro and Jenny Meadows (defo Marolyn) saying what a great 800M runner she could be and how 800 has always looked efortless for her. (This was on twitter) Nicola was a bit non commital, but it was obvious (from the rather public conversation LOL) that it had been spoken about several times as a viable option.

it was still just twitter talk.
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby jjimbojames » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:43 pm

richard1980 wrote:A few months ago cant remember the exact wording - i think it was Marolyn Akoro and Jenny Meadows (defo Marolyn) saying what a great 800M runner she could be and how 800 has always looked efortless for her. (This was on twitter) Nicola was a bit non commital, but it was obvious (from the rather public conversation LOL) that it had been spoken about several times as a viable option.

it was still just twitter talk.

Interesting - whilst a number of us have suggested that event, it's now very competitive - so no easy rides still
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby Rapunzel1975 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:23 pm

Can anyone remind me why she wouldn't go back to 400mH? Was there a specific anti-hurdling injury?
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby jjimbojames » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:00 pm

Rapunzel1975 wrote:Can anyone remind me why she wouldn't go back to 400mH? Was there a specific anti-hurdling injury?

Yes - a back injury, same with McConnell
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Re: 4x400m Relay Line Ups

Postby Geoff » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:11 pm

The women's 4x400 will probably be Cox, Ohuruogu, PSD and a Scot but not necessarily in that order. Child must be capable of a fast 400m following her recent form over the hurdles. I expect McConnell to get down to low 51s. I'm not sure Sanders will quite make it particularly as she seems have some sort of injury.

On the men's side it is far more open. After Rooney it may be the current next 3 on the rankings with possibly Jack Green. I'm not sure Dai Greene is quite quick enough and this could be his undoing in the 400H. I wonder if Delano Williams, if he makes the team in the 200m, might come into consideration to run in the heats? He's entered the trials but any news of him competing recently?
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