Exile wrote:I still don't understand the need to criticise individuals. Nobody sets out to run poorly or not make the Olympics. Even those on funding can hardly be expected to turn funding down if it is offered to them. If there were better athletes around then the funding would be directed towards them. At the end of the day, the sport is an individual one and the only person who loses out when a sprinter runs badly is the sprinter themself.
On a wider note about coaching, sprints and expectations, it has been suggested that young sprinters should be looking to the future and thinking about LTAD. While I wholeheartedly agree and do not think it wise to mention names, take a look at the top 10 all time lists for male and female U17 sprints (ignoring those that are there but are still juniors): -
M100m: Of the top 10, only MLF and Tyrone Edgar went on to break 10.10 as seniors (in MLF's case, in his first year).
M200m: Nobody went on to break 20.5. Tim Benjamin and Mark Richardson went on to be world class 400m runners. Darren Campbell is down in 20th.
M400m: Richardson is top and was truly world class. Nobody else broke 45. Hylton (9th) ran 45.24.
W100: Sonia Lannaman went on to break 11.3. Nobody else did. Kath Merry obviously went on to world class over 400m.
W200: Simmone Jacobs was the only one to break 23 as a senior. Vernicha James and Amy Spencer were outstanding juniors. Merry also appears.
W300: Nobody of note appears in the top 10.
My point is that when we see outstanding under 17s, we can certainly hope for the best, because the odd one goes on to world class (often in a different event), but we shouldn't be at all surprised if they don't progress much at all, because that is the norm. Expecting them to go on to Olympic games in the future and succeed is fine, but the odds are stacked heavily against. Of course, as Richardson, Merry and others have shown, it is not impossible.
The real questions are why this trend exists. Is it that the very best U17s are people who peak naturally early in life? Is it coaching? Is it that they get bored? Injuries from starting their careers too early? Has there been any research on what the very best elite athletes were doing as U17s? I can think of Roger Black, Iwan Thomas and even Linford who were probably doing very little at that age. Chambers and even Gemili were good but not outstanding under 17s.
I wonder whether the USA AT U17 lists feature household names? Ultimately, why do we have such promising talents at that age who rarely progress into outstanding seniors?
Great post, it actually shows the UKA, BAAB and AAA have ALL
had problems in converting great juniors into world class seniors
gruffalo wrote:What's happened to our sprinters?
Well nothing - they are all still mediocre (in world terms) as ever.
Lifelong coaching by UK Sprint coaches who are not world class, have no world class pedigree and no history of taking good juniors to the world class level.
The sport is professional now and with it should come professional responsibility.
Lets face it in the real world most of the coaches in the UK would have been fired by now - pity Alan Sugar doesn't work for UKA
It has been going on for years where there is "no plan" and where young talent's progress can be stifled by inadequate coaching. What's more the inadequate coaching can lead to the all too familiar excuses we hear time and again "niggling injuries" - cause and affect
World class athletes don't get niggling injuries
I feel for kids like Jodie Williams and Adam Gemili as I honestly believe they will never reach their true potential stuck in the system - what's worse if they chose their own way and chose a positive decision to say go abroad they can get ostracised by UKA for not "towing the party line". Are UKA there for the benefit of the athletes or the coaches?
The words I hate to hear when they are asked about whats next "I'll have to speak to my coach" - Tiger Woods may as well ask me to look at his swing.
A certain UK sprinter who went to the caribbean to train was accused of "not working hard enough" - endemic of the coaching he received in the UK?
Harry AA, Simeon etc despite their age have been in the game long enough to be able to take a true look at themselves and determine their future. Now is the time to make that decision if it means going elsewhere to progress or plod along for the rest of their careers.
Just want to see Adam G run
Another good post, however world class athletes DO get niggling injuries, we only have to look at Tyson Gay's valiant attempts to be as quick if not quicker than Usain Bolt, every time he gets close his lumbar pelvic hip complex breaks down.
Malcolm Arnold, Mackie and Lloyd Cowans in my opinion ARE world class coaches, there are one or two not to far off, but the rest I am not too sure about.
bevone wrote:Some have short memories, regarding injuries. Linford and the others in his day may have had injuries but they would show up to the major champs and produce. This is not happening now - uka are interfering rather than let some athletes get on with it. Tyrone edgar -btw is based in the US now and more and more UK athlete are seeking the us for the answer where they are improving. Most of our marquee athletes stay here but i wonder how the would have done if they' d go to the us under coaCHES who know how to coach full time.
With all the funding and interfering - uka has had a poor record of success and perhaps if they had employed people who were the right people for the job rather than hand picked their own - maybe the sport would be in a better place, \there is a strong argument to save lots of money and support out best to go to the top us unis and then support them properly when they come back at 23 - if that is what the athlete wants. Maybe get these unis to employ Uk coaches - or uk employ them to go on sabbaticals to learn how to coach properly, so they could see how to do it.
Spot on - this is the era we grew up in. Winning was everything while losing got you teased (in a fun way), but our championships were never a "closed" affair.
jeremy1 wrote:And if I say that I think that English footballers are second rate, I suppose posters will go into the same mode as they do on track and field.
YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS! They are worse than second rate, they are a joke. How can a man have a court case delayed so that he can hijack a trophy presentation and then play in a major international tournament?
mump boy wrote:The idea that i'm jingoistic is laughable
It would be if you did the dance wrong! JINGOOOOO, jingo bop ..... huuuuh