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I don't think DeVos made a definitive statement - the Daily Mail article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/othersports.html?in_article_id=510743&in_page_id=1781&ct=5 only said he will "lead a review", so nothing's cast in stone yet. He was just expressing his opi...
by spartacus
Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:54 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: UKA fly the anti drug cheat flag
Replies: 31
Views: 4361

Kermit, It was UKA in the original tribunal who held “strongly recommended” was clear enough in it’s meaning to justify it was a matter for which a coach could have his licence withdrawn. The appeal was against this interpretation and also the definition of “inappropriate”. The European Human Rights...
by spartacus
Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:44 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

“Both were in intimate relationships, but that does nto make them inappropriate” Does under clause 4.2 (ii). I wish it wasn’t the case, but it’s been held that it is. Similar doesn’t mean exactly the same, it means “having characteristics in common”; “alike in substance or essentials”. Both intimate...
by spartacus
Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:54 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

“Inappropriate” in that it was an intimate personal relationship with an athlete he was coaching, per clause 4.2 (ii). I’m not pretending every last detail is the same, but the fact remains that both were/are intimate personal relationships. To that extent they are the same and “strongly recommended...
by spartacus
Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:41 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

BigGut There is nothing that says that ANY relationship is a banning matter, I accept that fact. What we’re talking about here is intimate personal relationships, ie sexual relationships. Even for under 16s and for 16 to 18s, it’s still only conditional – the clauses say COULD result in withdrawal o...
by spartacus
Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:00 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

Here we go again. BigGut and fangio operating in tandem. Things go round in circles because they usually make verbose critical replies to posts made by others in order to deflect the focus of those posts, thus creating the need to restate points for their benefit. They attempt to discredit other pos...
by spartacus
Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:56 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

BigGut - Not fair in that it took over a year from the complaint to get the first tribunal, thereby creating more personal anguish. Not fair in that the impartiality of both the investigation leader and a key witness had been compromised. Simon Richardson was dealt with quickly. How come nothing got...
by spartacus
Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:54 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

Inappropriate and intimate are as used in clause 4.2. Inappropriate sexual relationship was the term used in the letter. Intimate relationship to me means sexual relationship – they are synonymous. Yes, there was initially a very serious allegation, but the police started their interviews in October...
by spartacus
Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:08 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

I doubt whether this matter would receive anything like as much interest and debate had the two controversial cases of Peter Arnott and David Farrow not occurred, or perhaps rather that they had been handled more sensitively and fairly. I think it would be helpful to summarise the details of the Far...
by spartacus
Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:03 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

Rape and assault are criminal acts so would be dealt with by the police initially. As it was, the police found the rape allegation to be without foundation. So they're not the reason. I'm not pretending the cases are the same - AS is a UKA employee and in his position is a higher profile character t...
by spartacus
Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:55 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

fangio said

Is having an affiar with a non-vulnerable senior athlete you coach an offence in itself?

No, so no case to answer on that point.


No it isn't an offence. So why was DF banned for just this???
by spartacus
Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:07 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

What some of want to do is promote information and the TRUTH
by spartacus
Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:58 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

I would absolutely love to see you try to argue in the european courts that someone couldn't have a relationship with another adult.... BigGut, what would you say if you found out that, in one recent welfare case, UKA's lawyers had successfully argued that the European Convention on Human Rights do...
by spartacus
Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:59 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

Well, he originally was supposed to be banned under WADA rules for life, but got banned for 8 years as he agreed to help out the USADA in their anti doping campaign. He has now got this reduced on appeal to four years and is considering whether to lodge a further appeal. I think he is bl**dy lucky t...
by spartacus
Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:15 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Justin Gatlin banned for 4 years....
Replies: 25
Views: 3197

fangio said Thanks for deliberately misunderstanding my post. I am not saying that dying or emigrating are breaches, I am saying they are reasons why a letter would not be sent. Would you really bother sending a letter around the clubs if the coach concerned had died or emigrated to Australia? Hones...
by spartacus
Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:36 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

fangio I think they are wrong for their inactions, for reasons that I have previously stated. If an undertaking as you suggest is legally unenforceable, then there's nothing to stop someone saying "I undertake not to coach" and then carrying on coaching, as he knows his "undertaking&q...
by spartacus
Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:09 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

fangio – I can’t think of any positive reasons. Can you? You can’t force a coach to stop coaching – you don’t need a UKA licence to coach, though obviously you do to coach as a member of a UKA affiliated club. UKA have no jurisdiction to prevent coaches coaching outside of the UKA framework, so can...
by spartacus
Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:47 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

No, I don’t know why either. Vendetta? Victimisation? Bullying? Duplicity? Someone must know. Who? You said it would be perfectly reasonable to send a letter to say an investigation is under way . Personally I think this is jumping the gun and any letter should be left until the investigation has be...
by spartacus
Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:58 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

If you send out letters just because an investigation is under way, you then have to send out another set once the result of the investigation is known, to either deny or confirm the original accusation. Either way its two sets of THOUSANDS of letters, at great and unnecessary expense. There are ten...
by spartacus
Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:31 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

nevetssllim said I think that a 1988 Paula Ivan would have been able to run away from Kelly Holmes and a 1996 Masterkova would have been able to outkick Holmes. The only comment I have is - drugs. 1988, 1996 - there was a lot of it about. Not saying those two were definitely on them but, unfortunate...
by spartacus
Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:05 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Brits stun at European Cross-Country Championships
Replies: 39
Views: 4320

BigGut, I am not being “totally dishonest” when I say I am focussing on the relevant parts, because those relevant parts are key. I am not deliberately misinterpreting the clause or putting “spin” on it either. I am merely putting forward my interpretation of the clause. So lets “discuss the actual ...
by spartacus
Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:50 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

BigGut, I am not trying to disguise anything! I stated in my post that I was using extracts from clause 4.2. You yourself recited the whole of the sub-clause in an earlier post. I am not deliberately and misleadingly editing the clause, merely focusing in on the relevant parts. You recited in your r...
by spartacus
Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:54 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

AS is a UKA employee, so it's a lot more than just a coach/athlete intimate personal relationship that is at issue here. As UKA Endurance Technical Director and for the influence and part he has on team selection etc, to have as close a relationship as he does with KR is, in my mind, clearly "i...
by spartacus
Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:32 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

Let's face it, AS and KR are having an affair. AS has a partner who it seems didn't know anything about this, though I'm sure she does now! In any other circumstance its nobody elses business, this sort of thing goes on all the time. However, AS is KR's coach and under his coaching licence terms and...
by spartacus
Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:05 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: alan storey sacked after athlete sex scandal?
Replies: 149
Views: 24690

Usedtoit33 said Anyone who immediately goes to the back and stays there and doesn't even attempt to go with the pace can forget it. Didn't do Kelly Holmes any harm 3 years ago! Seriously, I like to see people having a go. I was a bit alatmed when Rimmer front-ran in the worlds, I think he could have...
by spartacus
Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:45 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Brits stun at European Cross-Country Championships
Replies: 39
Views: 4320

Perhaps there are TWO ZHPs?!
by spartacus
Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:38 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Z H-P moves on
Replies: 5
Views: 1228

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