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Re: Diamond League Doha - Osagie

Mr Me wrote: “Watching Osagie in the 800m, I was trying to remember, when did he last win something? I like him and think he's talented but he rarely seems to aim for victories.” Yes, he is talented but my model of middle distances indicates that he is racing over the wrong distance. He does not pos...
by oldboy
Sun May 11, 2014 8:04 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Diamond League Doha
Replies: 59
Views: 3268

Re: Glasgow International Match 28 January

eldanielfire wrote about Laura Muir......I can't quite put my finger on why I think this but I think she might be something special eventually. Perhaps two intelligent runs at the WORLD CHAMPS 2:00.80 & 2:00.83 have influenced your thinking. If you scale down today's run by the ratio of indoor/o...
by oldboy
Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:18 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Glasgow International Match 28 January
Replies: 81
Views: 7257

Re: Mistakes in OFFICIAL splits

If, as 1981aLaN suggests, the technology was first used in 2009 then we certainly missed a trick at the “Greatest” Olympics. Perhaps it was used but not published on the internet – does anyone know? Team GB athletes and their coaches are often criticised for poor tactics. In my opinion, the provisio...
by oldboy
Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:05 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Mistakes in OFFICIAL splits
Replies: 8
Views: 927

Mistakes in OFFICIAL splits

During the World Championships I came across for the first time on the internet PDF’s giving 100m splits for the 800m. Taking into account the several errors in the various sheets they are, nevertheless, very useful information. Can anyone answer these questions for me. Is this the first time they h...
by oldboy
Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:58 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Mistakes in OFFICIAL splits
Replies: 8
Views: 927

Re: IAAF World Championships 2013 (Day 9)

Tossing the Baton Did I see Usain Bolt toss the baton to an official at the end of the relay? If so, according to UK rules he MAY have been disqualified. The word may in the rules seems to allow the officials to exercise discretion. If the International rules are the same as UK then they have clearl...
by oldboy
Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:56 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: IAAF World Championships 2013 (Day 9)
Replies: 107
Views: 6251

Re: IAAF World Champs (Day 6)

Judd error of judgement? Was it an error of judgement that cost Jessica a place in the next round? Look at these figures I have taken from videos of this morning’s races (these are not official times) Name / First lap time/Split Okoro /59.15/1.13 Judd /58.67/4.13 Muir /59.9/1.00 Was the first lap to...
by oldboy
Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:33 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: IAAF World Champs (Day 6)
Replies: 123
Views: 6009

Re: Ennis return

Stevek26 I think the word conspiracy is a bit strong; they have done nothing illegal. I am not saying there is not an injury. None of us know the strength of the injury. Some athletes carry on with minor injuries, but they do not have the same commercial factor as Jess in their decision to carry on....
by oldboy
Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:03 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Ennis return
Replies: 121
Views: 9230

Re: Ennis return

In an earlier post I suggested that it was a “commercial” decision not to go to Moscow. After I had made that post Toni appeared on the TV news saying words to the effect that anything this year would be an anti-climax. He went on to say that this is as good as any year to have an injury if you have...
by oldboy
Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:10 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Ennis return
Replies: 121
Views: 9230

Re: Ennis return

Let us not forget that Jess is a professional sportswoman; she earns her living from athletics. Perhaps an unblemished Olympic Champion can earn more than an OC tarnished with a poor World Champs. The cost of failure may be too great to ignore; I do not know, I am not an agent.
by oldboy
Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:00 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Ennis return
Replies: 121
Views: 9230

Re: British Trials 12th-14th July

What a difference a year makes……………… 2012 Marilyn Okoro suicidal tactics - not selected for Olympics 2013 Marilyn Okoro sensible tactics - booked her place in Moscow She did not just beat Jess; she trounced her. Why? Jess after the race said she was “flat”. Why? For the answer to these questions jus...
by oldboy
Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:52 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: British Trials 12th-14th July
Replies: 237
Views: 14144

Re: Oslo Diamond League

Colin Jackson commented on the extra long straights in the stadium, but they did not look extra long to me. I usually make a quick check on the stadium dimensions so that my analyses of the 800m make sense. This is how I check. The third hurdle in the 400m hurdle is at 115m . The entrance to the bac...
by oldboy
Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:58 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Oslo Diamond League
Replies: 97
Views: 6455

Re: Eugene DL

A slingshot wide off of the last bend would have been a last resort yesterday to keep his destiny under his control. To run up behind a brick wall hoping it will crack is a nonsense as I see it and frustrating if you have got petrol left in the tank!!!
by oldboy
Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:03 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Eugene DL
Replies: 65
Views: 4656

Re: Eugene DL

‘Iain’ referred to Osagie’s performance, as “decent” and I would not disagree with that except for one thing: his track positioning. Running round at the back on the curb is highly commendable for the first lap, but running yourself into a box in the home straight certainly is not. He gave me the im...
by oldboy
Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:27 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Eugene DL
Replies: 65
Views: 4656

Re: David Rudisha's Potential Re-visited

Further to my post yesterday I now give below a summary of the potential improvements for all the competitors in the Olympic final based on two models. Model 1 = a positive split with an exponential decay in speed Model 2 = Even pace Name…………….Olympic Actual/Model 1/Model 2 Rudisha………….100.91/99.11/...
by oldboy
Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:02 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: David Rudisha's Potential Re-visited
Replies: 1
Views: 616

David Rudisha's Potential Re-visited

“When you are tired of London’s 800m Olympic Final, you are tired of Athletics.” I put a specific slant on Samuel Johnson’s famous quotation as my excuse for resurrecting the subject yet again. What more can be said that hasn’t already been said I am sure you are thinking? Journalists have exhausted...
by oldboy
Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:53 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: David Rudisha's Potential Re-visited
Replies: 1
Views: 616

Re: Osagie v Rooney

Rooney's PB goes back to 2008 - not improved for four years. Perhaps a switch to 800 will see him moving forward again.
by oldboy
Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:15 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Osagie v Rooney
Replies: 8
Views: 1079

Osagie v Rooney

It has been suggested in the past that it is time for Rooney to move up to 800m. I seem to recall that Jason suggested it in an editorial some time ago. What could we expect if he did? Well someone, I know not who, devised the following rule: 400m time x 1.1 = A A x 1.1 = B Expected 800m time = A + ...
by oldboy
Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:35 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Osagie v Rooney
Replies: 8
Views: 1079

Re: M 800m

musimusi from the video timeline Rudisha'a 200 split looks like 23.29 Speeding up and slowing down during the race is wasteful. The energy he put into the race, if distributed smoothly giving a split of -.46, would result in a WR of 98.02!! The 200m splits would be 24.85 then 3 x 24.39 That is my op...
by oldboy
Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:18 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: M 800m
Replies: 43
Views: 4100

Re: W 800m

I agree with jjimbojames when he says "....this was a poor run from Lynsey, but not altogether surprising" The race for Lynsey was part of a learning process that cannot be short circuited. What can she learn from it? Firstly her racing plan was suspect. In a post race interview she said h...
by oldboy
Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:26 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: W 800m
Replies: 78
Views: 6929

Re: M 800m

Taking times from the timeline of a video, the Osagie’s splits were 24.80/26.84/26.72/26.38 Average speeds 8.06/7.45/7.48/7.58 Converting the energy used to an even pace strategy my model of the 800m suggests 26.41/25.94/25.94/25.94 total 1:44.23 Average speeds 7.57/7.71/7.71/7.71 Scope for improvem...
by oldboy
Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:44 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: M 800m
Replies: 43
Views: 4100

Re: IAAF World Junior Championships 2012

Jessica Judd is at the age where 800m girls improve by2/3 secs per year; so we could see her dipping below 2 mins this year, maybe today?
by oldboy
Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:07 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: IAAF World Junior Championships 2012
Replies: 265
Views: 20763

Questions for CvC

Questions for CvC in connection with the 800m Women selection. On the BBC website Steve Cram says; It also comes as a surprise because at one point Charles made it fairly clear that those on 'B' standards wouldn't be competing in London. Question 1 Is this true? Question 2 If it is true, why have yo...
by oldboy
Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:05 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: Questions for CvC
Replies: 4
Views: 569

Re: UK Women's 800m

In an earlier post I suggested that that the rule that prevents selecting a mix of A’s and B’s is an ass. The UK rule could have prevented CvC picking the form horse if Marilyn had been 2nd in the trials, even in a slow time. She would have bagged a place for herself and opened up the door for two m...
by oldboy
Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:25 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: UK Women's 800m
Replies: 299
Views: 23833

Re: UK Women's 800m

[b]The law is an ass[/b]

Can anyone explain the logic behind the rule that prevents A's and B's in the same event from a country?
by oldboy
Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:26 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: UK Women's 800m
Replies: 299
Views: 23833

Re: UK Women's 800m

Decision time With the selection procedure now made clear it is decision time. The Olympic ideal of fair competition should include fair selection. The selectors have got to be strong and be prepared to defend their selections. Remember sentiment and fairness do not go hand in hand. Now for the Wome...
by oldboy
Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:22 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: UK Women's 800m
Replies: 299
Views: 23833

Re: UK Women's 800m

Thank you to Notabot and Paul for pointing out that the splits I proposed for the 800m A standard don't add up. I must have keyed in a wrong number somewhere. If the A standard is 119.90 secs then the splits would be 30.38/29.84/29.84/29.84
by oldboy
Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:24 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: UK Women's 800m
Replies: 299
Views: 23833

Re: UK Women's 800m

The finish of an 800m is often an illusion. A fast finisher is often slowing down, but less rapidly than the other competitors. I think that was the case with Lynsey from the times I have taken from the tape. Unfortunately, she was not in shot at 600m, so I have had to make an estimate. I am not try...
by oldboy
Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:36 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: UK Women's 800m
Replies: 299
Views: 23833

Re: The ideal stadium

My suggestion for the ideal stadium would have the track markings such that the staggers are in the straights and not on the bends. This would make the work done by all athletes to negotiate the bends numerically identical in each lane and, therefore, fairer. The effort required to negotiate the cur...
by oldboy
Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:18 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: The ideal stadium
Replies: 5
Views: 669

Re: UK Women's 800m

I dusted off my computer model and tried to make sense of the 800m final; I think I have failed, but this is as I see it. Marilyn did not do her homework. If she had have done her homework she would have found that she was the fastest sprinter in the pack (based on 400m times - in Marilyn’s case a b...
by oldboy
Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:28 pm
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: UK Women's 800m
Replies: 299
Views: 23833

Re: The madness which is Bucs

Jessica Judd Did you notice the split for Jessica? It was -.2 The third and fourth 200m splits were 29.86 and 31.29 This fade is probably due to covering the first 200m too quickly. Is there a link anywhere to a video of the race? Does anybody know the time for the first 200m? Passing the above info...
by oldboy
Tue May 08, 2012 10:54 am
 
Forum: Current events
Topic: The madness which is Bucs
Replies: 54
Views: 6617
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