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  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Let’s reflect on what I’ve argued and how you’ve characterised me.
    1) I’ve argued that we won because Pettigrew ran badly, not because Akabusi ran particularly well. You and Steve believe it was because Akabusi ran particularly well – arguing variously that he employed better tactics or had more strength.
    2) I’ve argued that Regis was a better…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Let’s reflect on what I’ve argued and how you’ve characterised me.
    1) I’ve argued that we won because Pettigrew ran badly, not because Akabusi ran particularly well. You and Steve believe it was because Akabusi ran particularly well – arguing variously that he employed better tactics or had more strength.
    2) I’ve argued that Reis was a better…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Perfectly plausible. In fact, I acknowledged earlier that Akabusi could have run a faster split. None of that changes my point that no mater how the leg was run, Pettigrew should have been able to beat Akabusi – starting too slow or starting too fast – and the reason he didn’t was that he was having an off day, not because Akabusi was running…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Of course it will!

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Argumentative? Moi?? How woudl you characterise the positions of yourself and Philipo? ;-)

    My assessment of Akabusi as the weakest runner on the team was not based on just that race. Did I not refer to best ever split times and the fact that on the 4 occasions they ran together , Redmond and Regis ran faster splits that Akabusi?…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    So you have no doubt that Ferner and Rono beat GB athletes because those GB athletes did not run to their potential, or to use your term, was ‘half-cooked’. However, when a GB 400mHer beats a US flat 400m World champion, you do not accept that the latter was, in all probability, also ‘half-cooked.

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    If a Martyn Rooney lost on a last leg to a 400m Hurdler with a much slower 400 PB than him, despite taking the baton in the lead, you, Philipo, would slaughter him. You apply different standards to different eras and athletes.

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    I described him as the weakest runner. To clarify: whoever was the slowest on the day would be described by me as the weakest runner. If you think the term is derogatory I’ll replace it by ‘slowest’. KA ran the slowest leg that day and, what’s more, consistently over the years, the other three, whenever they were on a team with him, ran faster…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    You know when someone has an off day because they run slower than expected and/or get beaten by someone they would be expected to beat. Or do you live in a parallel universe where Kriss Akabusi was a better 400m runner then Antonio Pettigrew?

    If Pettigrew had run the 44.0 seconds split one would have expected, do you believe Akabusi, starting…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Just out of interest, how do you all rate the performances of Hans-Peter Ferner and Peter Rono when they beat Coe in ’82 and Cram/Elliott in ’88. Were their victories due to Coe having an off day (ill) and Cram and Elliott being hampered by injuries? Or do you view it like Akabusi v Pettigrew and put it down to Ferner and Rono actually being…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Actually – I did acknowledge that the way Pettigrew ran (i.e. slowly) affected KA’s split. I wrote that KA could have run 44.2 if needed. But that still should not have been good enough to beat the world champion.

    Where do I criticise KA or say he got something wrong???? How does an observation that Pettigrew ran badly imply criticism of…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month ago

    Are you capable of expressing a difference of opinion without personal comments and ridiculing the other person (although to be fair “contrarian” and “nonsense is mild compared to the comments you usually attach to your replies to me)?

    If you believe the stop watch is a reliable indicator of how fast someone was, then I can’t see how anyone…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    I didn’t say or imply he could have run quicker that day. Clearly it was an off day. My point is that had he run to form he would have been 10n ahead (allowing for the 3m head start he already had). think we’ve reached that agree to disagree point! Can’t see any extreme point on my part.

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    Not the weakest runner on the team?? The splits tell us a somewhat different story. What case could be made for arguing KA was a better relay runner than Redmond or Regis, who aside from splits of 44.0 and 44.2 that day, ran faster than 44.6 on multiple times?

    I don’t think KA did anything more than cling on for dear life (deciding not to kick p…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    Hi Steve,
    I think my description of Akabusi was entirely factual – if you interpret that as mediocre fair enough. Certainly he was by far the weakest runner in our team, as the splits proved.
    I agree a chaser will often stay in touch with the guy ahead even if they are a slower runner on paper. Drafting is a factor but also some people are just…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    Agree on the uniformity of kits Ursus. I watched the NCAAs and it was refreshing to see lots of different designs – even by Nike. I hate how at a global level all the countries have the same Nike design – just different colours.

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    Where do I downgrade Akabusi’s contribution. However, he ran 44.6. If you allow 0.7 for a rolling start that suggests his effort was worth 45.3 off blocks. So he ran pretty much to par.

    In what world does 44.6 count as a particularly impressive relay leg?

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    And where did I dispute that???

    Does anyone other than Larkim and I think that USA lost because Pettigrew ran a stinker?

    Wider point – this exchange really proves how people apply different standards to our (I say ‘our’ because they’re mine as well) former heroes compared to the present lot.

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    I do not dispute that we had a conscious strategy. The myth is that we won because of that strategy.

    Nor do I disagree ours was a very sound strategy. Had we left Black to the last leg there was a risk he would have been too far adrift to have a hope catching Pettigrew. Surely their strategy though was to give Akabusi a bit of a lead and…[Read more]

  • replied to the topic sovietvest in the forum Current events 1 month, 1 week ago

    Ah – the great Tokyo 4x400m myth – that we won because of superior tactics, putting Black on leg 1. Nonsense: we won because Antonio Pettigrew ran a 44.93 leg. A man who had run 44.57 in the individual and therefore should have run no slower than 44.0 off a rolling start simply had a terrible run.

    Does anyone seriously think that at the start…[Read more]

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