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The 2017 Distance Running Thread Pt 2 – Recap of recent events

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  • #61158
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    On a good night with good weather, Vernon could still sneak in a shade under 27:45 – he’s run 27:58 this year. Ben Connor raced a 14:00 on a road 5k that I took part in (I pb’d with 18:59, 30s up on my best, so it was a very fast course!), so can’t see him getting anywhere near.

    Weather looks like it will <span class=”vm-hook-outer vm-hook-default”><span class=”vm-hook” style=”border-color: transparent transparent rgb(0, 153, 0); color: rgb(0, 153, 0);”>play</span><span class=”vm-hook-icon” style=”display: inline-block;”></span></span> its part though.

    I’m told Vernon was ready to run under 27:45 at Payton Jordan but at half-way his lower back stiffened up. Hopefully, after a few weeks of treatment back in the UK, he’ll be in better shape – he produced his best winter results in a few years.

    #61159
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    At the distanceClassic meet last night, Mo was second just behind Centrowitz in low 3.34 territory; a couple of reasonable efforts in second and third in the 800m men by Langford and Osagie.
    The DL meet distance races in a weeks time are stuffed to the gills with great talents but especially in the 5K where Mo is competing against nearly every leading EA runner around.

    Just seen the Pre 5K line up. It’s ridiculously stacked, Kwemoi is the only obvious absentee

    Interesting that Mo is opening with a 15 and a 5, instead of his usual 10. I guess he realises that the 5 will be very tough this year with Ndiku coming back, Kejelcha still developing and, most scarey of all, the emergence of Kwemoi.

    #61174
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    Thought Vernon looked pretty strong in the 10k tonight and I would say that qualifying time of 27:45 is on for him in the right race.

    #61175
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    Vernon is going to Hengelo in 3 weeks time to try & get the standard. I think it will be tough. Anyone know why Ross Killington wasn’t at Highgate?

    Good win for Beth Potter inside the QT. Steph Twell in 2nd place agonisingly missed it by just over a second. Pavey in 4th & Jess Martin was well off the pace.

    #61177
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    some poster tells us that the second rate stuff served up tonight in Highgate was for only bragging rights; running 28.21 in the national 10K was utterly mediocre ( being the ather unpleasant clown he is , Vernon had to high five as if he had achieved anything of real merit) ; the pathetic times of the runners behind Vernon made me depressed and think why can’t these guys run anywhere near at the speed of our 10 K men elite 40 years ago.
    The answer is they don’t care enough and wont train hard enough. Goodness me , are we going to miss Farah after this year as far as distance track is concerned.

    In any event the winning performances tonight in both the A races showed that we are not even relevant to elite World standards in the 5 and 10 K . I reckon our long distance athletes are not really interested in world standards just some nice cosy stuff at European level!!

    #61216
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    Not a fan of Vernon. If truth be told I think he’s a bit of an idiot. However I’ll defend him high fiving the crowd last night. He was just responding to their support. I saw it as no different to what Triathletes do at the end of the race. It wasn’t showboating or anything like that IMO.

    #61314
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    Had me old folks staying for the weekend so I’m just catching up now.

    Great run by Beth Potter at Highgate and Steph Twell gave it a good go from 5k out (they were going 31:30 pace between 5k & 8k). Looking further down the field there was a good bunch with PBs under 33 mins or less than a second over.

    From what Steph said after the race it seems she wasn’t trying to make the team. But, it does give her options for the Commonwealths.

    The team for the European Cup 10,000 in Minsk on June 10th was announced today. Katrina Wootton & Jess Martin get another shot at staking a claim for London, though it’s rare these days for this race to go fast.

    I think there’s a strong possibility we won’t have a full women’s 10,000 team for London. There’s limited suitable opportunities to get into another fast 10,000 and has Jo Pavey got enough time to prove her fitness at other distances?

    Nothing changed my mind in the men’s race to make me think that Mo will have British company on the start line in London.

    Anyway, it’s Laura time again on Saturday! Predictions anyone? Will she win? What time will she run?

    I’ll say that Kipyegon just edges her in a close finish, with Laura running 3:57-low.

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    very tough call competing at Eugene for European athletes; confident that Kipyegon will be there or thereabouts and if its a relatively slow pace Simpson
    and other Americans will be in with a shout.
    As for Laura I do not know when she has arrived in Eugene and how much acclimatisation she has had,and how her very busy indoor season has affected her training of the last 10 weeks.
    Hope she does not let the other athletes benefit from her solid pace making; a good time for her to gauge the feel of coming up from behind over the last 200 metres, perhaps.
    I still feel that what wins globals is not what wins DL meets, and I worry that the essential brutal last 100/150 metres is still very hard for Laura’s style of running.

    #61321
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    As for Laura I do not know when she has arrived in Eugene and how much acclimatisation she has had,and how her very busy indoor has affected her training of the last 10 weeks.

    She’s been out in Flagstaff for the last 3-4 weeks.

    #61377
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    I think Kipyegon will just edge it too, she looked in pretty good shape winning in Doha. Sensible for Laura to wait until the end of May to open up after a full indoor season.

    #61510
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    Is it wrong for me to be a bit disappointed with Laura’s run in Eugene? It shows how far she’s come that 4:00.4 & 3rd place can be disappointing. Hopefully it was the effects of her hayfever that meant she didn’t quite have the zip.

    #61511
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    As well as 18yo Markhim Lonsdale’s 1:46.97 (mentioned elsewhere on the forum; Vincosport video here), our other mid-distance juniors have been ripping it up this weekend.

    Our women’s 800 team for the European U20 Championships looks like it will be very strong. Joining Isabelle Boffey atop the European rankings, Ellie Baker & Anna Burt (not yet 17) both ran 2:04-mid this weekend (at Oordegem (BEL) & Sportcity respectively), the former a 2.5s PB.

    At Sportcity, 15yo Olivia Mason ran 4:20.57 (a 5s PB) to go 6th on the European U20 rankings! Anna Smith ran 4:22.5, also just 15yo!

    Over in Oordegem, Alex Yee ran 13:37.60 (a 14s PB).

    #61521
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    Wasn’t too disappointed with Laura as it was her first outdoor race. She’ll knock a few seconds off that in time.

    Am guessing the younger athletes like Mason & Burt will most likely run at the Commonwealth Youth Games.

    That time by Yee quickest by a Britsh Junior since 1981 according too Ian Hodge

    #62006
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    Alex Yee has had a nasty sounding bike crash competing in a Triathlon at the weekend. Broken ribs, Vertebrae, collapsed lung & suspected concussion.

    #62023
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    Alex Yee has had a nasty sounding crash competing in a Triathlon at the weekend. Broken ribs, Vertebrae, collapsed lung & suspected concussion.

    Ooh, that doesn’t sound good.

    Re your previous post, I’d forgotten about the Commonwealth Youth Games.
    The Bahamas or Italy? I know what my 16 year-old self would have chosen!

    #62049
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    Yep Bahamas would be a great trip. I think the younger athletes are generally pushed towards the U18 events anyway these days.

    #62279
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    Andy Vernon ran 28:33 in Hengelo today. There might be another opportunity, if he can get into the Ostrava race on the 26th June which features Sir Mo.

    Right, I’m officially on “Stacey Smith Watch”! Remember, a couple of months ago I told you about the first couple of races in her comeback (after retiring in 2012, the year after she ran 4:06.81 at age 21). Well, last week she ran 4:11.72 in a mixed race, 8.5 seconds faster than she ran 6 weeks earlier.

    #62280
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    Andy Vernon ran 28:33 in Hengelo today. There might be another opportunity, if he can get into the Ostrava race on the 26th June which features Sir Mo.

    Right, I’m officially on “Stacey Smith Watch”! Remember, a couple of months ago I told you about the first couple of races in her comeback (after retiring in 2012, the year after she ran 4:06.81 at age 21). Well, last week she ran 4:11.72 in a mixed race, 8.5 seconds faster than she ran 6 weeks earlier.

    So how many opportunities does he need, I wonder.? In my book he is not fit to represent GB in London based on anything he has achieved.

    #62281
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    Vernon would be better going for the 5000 now. He has a much better chance of running 13:22 than he does of running 27:45

    #62282
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    Vernon would be better going for the 5000 now. He has a much better chance of running 13:22 than he does of running 27:45

    Agreed and with a sub-13:22 he would be a virtual lock for the 3rd place on the team since no-one else is looking likely to do it.

    The thing is, off 28:20 form in Europe, I’m not convinced he could go under 13:30 at the moment.

    #62311
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    It’s still relatively early in the season but I feel it’s time to take stock of the British races to qualify for Worlds in London!

    Below are the current lists for each of the distance events with comments where appropriate. The qualifying period for the 10,000 started on 1st Jan 2016 and ends midnight 9th July. For all other events not yet
    selected, it started on 1st October 2016 and ends midnight 23rd July.

    A * for any track athlete denotes an athlete who has already qualified or been selected for the team. Athletes above the dotted lines already have the standard.

    Where an athlete hasn’t yet achieved the standard I’ll include their PB or their best in 2016 (whichever seems most relevant.)

    I’ll update this all just before the trials taking place on the 1st & 2nd of July.

    Men’s 800
    WCh standard: 1:45.90

    1:45.75 Andrew Osagie
    1:45.82 Jake Wightman (he’s done a few 800s this year; intending to double or ‘insurance’ in case he doesn’t make the 1500 team?)
    ————————————————————-
    1:45.91 Kyle Langford (has only run under the standard once before, 1:45.78 in 2015)
    1:46.38 Elliot Giles (PB in 2016 of 1:45.54; still early in his outdoor season so expected to improve?)
    1:46.40 James Bowness (PB in 2016 of 1:45.96)
    1:46.72 Michael Rimmer (2016 best of 1:44.93; has run faster than the standard in 10 of the last 11 years)
    1:46.86 Daniel Rowden (pre-2017 best of 1:48.13)
    1:46.97 Markhim Lonsdale (the 18yo has already swiped 2+ seconds off his best this year; it’s a very big ask to take another 1.1s off in the next few weeks?)
    1:48.12 (1:47.00i) Guy Learmonth (PB of 1:46.65 from 2015; has been stuck on 1:46/47 for 5 years now)

    Men’s 1500
    WCh standard: 3:36.00

    3:34.19 Mo Farah (not expected to go for the triple!!)
    3:34.35 Chris O’Hare
    3:35.72 Charlie Grice
    3:35.93 Jake Wightman
    3:35.99 Josh Kerr (has said he will compete in the trials after his US collegiate season)
    ———————————————-
    3:36.97 Robbie Fitzgibbon (pre-2017 best of 3:39.03)
    3:38.35 Adam Clarke (pre-2017 best of 3:40.29)
    3:38.85 Tom Lancashire (2016 best of 3:37.47; hasn’t run faster than the standard since 2010)

    Men’s 5000
    WCh standard: 13:22.60

    * Mo Farah (already qualified by virtue of his defending champion wildcard)
    13:11.45 Andrew Butchart
    ———————————————-
    13:33.48 Nick Goolab (first year taking the 5000 seriously)
    13:37.45 Marc Scott (PB of 13:36.81 from 2015; is he continuing his season or not after NCAAs?)

    13:51.40 Jonathan Davies (2016 PB of 13:23.94)

    Tom Farrell (PB of 13:10.48 from 2015) hasn’t raced in 2017.
    Andy Vernon (PB of 13:11.50 from 2014 and a 2016 best of 13:26.16) – will he switch his attention to trying to make the 5000 team?

    Men’s 10,000
    WCh standard: 27:45.00

    * Mo Farah (already qualified by virtue of his defending champion wildcard)
    ——————————————————–
    27:55.06 (2016) Ross Millington (hasn’t raced since DNF at Payton Jordan)
    27:58.69 Andy Vernon (1st at the trials; 27:42.62 PB from 2015, the only time he has run faster than the standard)
    28:07.97 Marc Scott (didn’t compete at the trials; pre-2017 best of 28:30.33)
    28:16.07 Dewi Griffiths (2nd at the trials; pre-2017 best of 28:28.55)

    Very, very possible this will be a team of one. Good opportunities to get the standard are thin on the ground – there’s Leiden on 17th June & Ostrava on 26th June but not sure about any other races.

    Men’s 3000 Steeplechase
    WCh standard: 8:32.00

    8:30.06 Rob Mullett (however, I read that this race would not count for
    WCh qualifying purposes since some of the barriers were not raised after the women’s race; 2016 PB of 8:22.42)
    8:30.17 Zak Seddon
    ——————————————-
    8:33.59 Ieuan Thomas (pre-2017 best of 8:40.64)
    8:33.68 William Gray (pre-2017 best of 8:45.82)
    8:34.03 Jonathan Hopkins (pre-2017 best of 8:37.43)
    8:34.19 Jamaine Coleman (pre-2017 best of 8:53.72)

    8:38.69 Luke Gunn (best in 2016 of 8:35.71; hasn’t run faster than the standard since 2012)

    Men’s Marathon
    WCh standard: 2:16:00

    Team already selected:
    Callum Hawkins
    Josh Griffiths
    Robbie Simpson

    Women’s 800
    WCh standard: 2:01.00

    2:00.17 Shelayna Oskan-Clarke
    2:00.35 Adelle Tracey
    ————————————-
    2:01.13 Lynsey Sharp (2016 PB of 1:57.69)
    2:02.09 Katie Snowden (2016 PB of 2:01.77)
    2:02.20 Alexandra Bell (2016 PB of 2:00.53; has run 2:02 in all her four races in 2017)
    2:02.47 Sarah McDonald (2016 PB of 2:01.10 but not expected to compete for the 800 team – has said she hates the 800!)
    2:02.50 Marilyn Okoro (her best in 2016 was 2:02.88; it’s four years since she ran sub-2:01)

    Alison Leonard (best in 2016 of 2:00.52) has had one race this summer season, a 1500 in Germany finishing 14th in 4:24. Getting in shape in time seems a very tall order for her.

    Women’s 1500
    WCh standard: 4:07.50

    With Laura Muir qualifying by virtue of being Diamond League champion we can have 4 athletes in this event.

    * Laura Muir
    4:01.95 Laura Weightman
    4:05.83 Sarah McDonald
    4:06.00 Melissa Courtney
    ————————————————
    4:10.97 Katie Snowden (pre-2017 best of 4:13.06; I think her better chance would be in the 800 where she’s closer to the standard)
    4:11.00 Amy-Eloise Neale (pre-2017 best of 4:13.93; big ask for her to come down to 4:07.50 this year)

    4:13.35 Charlene Thomas (her best in 2016 was 4:05.98)
    4:15.61 Hannah England (her best in 2016 was 4:07.78)

    Steph Twell ran 4:07.39 on 31st May but it was in a mixed race so it’s not eligible (and she’s not expected to compete for the 1500 team anyway).

    Women’s 5000
    WCh standard: 15:22.00

    14:49.12i Laura Muir
    15:07.43 Eilish McColgan
    15:08.24 Laura Weightman (not expected to compete for the 5000 team)
    ————————————————————
    15:24.05 Steph Twell (14:59.00 best in 2016)
    15:28.95 Melissa Courtney (not expected to compete for the 5000 team)
    15:29.07 Charlotte Taylor (not expected to compete for the 5000 team)
    15:29.26 Lauren Howarth (pre-2017 best of 15:44.28)
    15:34.82 Jessica Judd (her first year at 5000; could possibly improve enough to get the standard?)

    Laura Whittle hasn’t raced since February (2016 PB of 15:08.58)

    Women’s 10,000
    WCh standard: 32:15.00

    * Beth Potter (already qualified by virtue winning the Trials last month and having the standard)
    31:33.44 (2016) Jo Pavey (well down the field in the trials in 32:43; has said she’s no longer pursuing the 10,000 this year but might she be offered a place if she could ‘prove her fitness’ in a 5000 by running in
    the low 15:20s?)
    31:35.92 (2016) Jess Martin (even further down the field in the trials; has been suffering injuries; looks highly unlikely she’ll have time to ‘prove her fitness’)
    32:10.59 Eilish McColgan (didn’t compete at the 10,000 trials and not expected to want to double)
    32:11.80 Charlotte Taylor (didn’t compete at the trials but I expect she will be offered a place on the team in the absence of any other contenders)
    32:11.84 (2016) Kate Avery (hasn’t raced for 12 months)
    ———————————————————
    32:16.23 Steph Twell (not expected to pursue a place on the 10,000 team)
    32:27.47 Katrina Wootton
    32:29.28 Alice Wright

    Further good opportunities to get the standard are extremely limited (or non-existant?) Maybe there’s a race in the USA (say, in Portland)?
    There’s a real possibility we have a team of one for this if Charlotte Taylor ends her season after the NCAAs.

    Women’s 3000 Steeplechase
    WCh standard: 9:42.00

    9:36.75 Rosie Clarke
    —————————————
    10:05.07 Lennie Waite (PB 9:35.91 in 2016)

    Of the other athletes on the 2017 list only Elizabeth Bird has a sub-10 PB (9:54). Louise Webb ran a 9:57 PB in 2016 but hasn’t competed since January. Another team of one is possible.

    Women’s Marathon
    WCh standard: 2:36:00

    Team already selected:
    Aly Dixon
    Charlotte Purdue
    Tracy Barlow

    Any thoughts anyone?

    #62317
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    Andy Vernon ran 28:33 in Hengelo today. There might be another opportunity, if he can get into the Ostrava race on the 26th June which features Sir Mo.

    Right, I’m officially on “Stacey Smith Watch”! Remember, a couple of months ago I told you about the first couple of races in her comeback (after retiring in 2012, the year after she ran 4:06.81 at age 21). Well, last week she ran 4:11.72 in a mixed race, 8.5 seconds faster than she ran 6 weeks earlier.

    So how many opportunities does he need, I wonder.? In my book he is not <span class=”vm-hook-outer vm-hook-default”><span class=”vm-hook” style=”border-color: transparent transparent rgb(0, 153, 0); color: rgb(0, 153, 0);”>fit</span><span class=”vm-hook-icon” style=”display: inline-block;”></span></span> to represent GB in London based on anything he has achieved.

    I think the Vernon of 2014 (Zurich) and early 2015 (when he won in Palo Alto) was well worth a WCh space. That 10,000 in Zurich, just .55sec behind Mo and ahead of Kaya, suggested he was capable of under 27:30. I think he’s very comparable to Chris Thompson at his best. I know he’s had problems with his lower back and wonder if that flared up again at the weekend. I was surprised to see him run on the roads in Manchester so close to the Hengelo meet (and the 10,000 trials). I gather however, that he’s ‘between deals’ currently, so maybe there was financial pressure to compete.

    #62325
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    Has Jo changd her mind then? She said after the London 10k a few weeks ago…

    “I’m still going for the World Championships, I’ve got the qualifying time but I think I’ve got to prove to the selectors in the next few weeks that I’m worth that place. There are lots of very good girls around and it won’t be easy”

    She finished ahead of Beth Potter & Gemma Steel in the NY Mini 10k the other day. None of the others stand a chance of getting the time and can’t see them selecting Martin on current form. Jo seems able to turn things around quite quickly, beaten at the trials last year but still finished top Brit at the Euro’s and in Rio. If she’s given the chance and is healthy I could see her doing so again this year

    #62336
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    Has Jo changd her mind then? She said after the London 10k a few weeks ago…

    “I’m still going for the World Championships, I’ve got the qualifying time but I think I’ve got to prove to the selectors in the next few weeks that I’m worth that place. There are lots of very good girls around and it won’t be easy”

    She finished ahead of Beth Potter & Gemma Steel in the NY Mini 10k the other day. None of the others stand a chance of getting the time and can’t see them selecting Martin on current form. Jo seems able to turn things around quite quickly, beaten at the trials last year but still finished top Brit at the Euro’s and in Rio. If she’s given the chance and is healthy I could see her doing so again this year

    Ah, thanks. I hadn’t seen that quote. I was going off what it said in the British Athletics report after the trials (but I now realise it wasn’t a quote and that they were maybe just guessing about her switching focus to making the 5000 team.)

    Agreed. I wouldn’t write her off either.

    #62337
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    The only thing we can sure of is that Mo will perform excellently and our other British 10K athletes will bring up the rear; if that is the basis of selecting the above moderate athletes, just so that we can put them in the British team, so be it. Not much of a point,for me.

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