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  • #69222
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    SAm Talbot has said he won’t be competing next year, he needs to give his body a chance to recover. Credit to the guy for sticking with the sport when he could have gone back to rugby

    #69248
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    Ursus
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    He’s 18. In no way is taking a year out a positive sign.

    #69250
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    Agree it’s not a good omen for a Decathlete. If his body can’t cope with the training now one wonders if it ever will

    #69515
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    carterhatch
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    with the England commonwealth athletics squad announced it does offer an opportunity for speculation to help us through the ever earlier winter evenings…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/41733945

    100/200/relay with no place for Kilty its pretty obvious he will be going all out for a slot in the World indoor championships alongside CJ UJah… really surprised there is no place for Reece Prescod given there are up to 3 slots? A case of managing his development as he has been prone to injury…

    Very surprised that Zharnel Hughes is not running for his home island… HAA must have a great number of supporters among the selectors…

    100/200 … dont get the ladies selection, with Finette Agyapong selected for 400 relay only, maybe I am reading it wrong and she could still run the 200 but no Neita, Shannon Hylton or Imani Lansiquot, first thought it might be Uni related…

    400 … ladies selection is bizarre, no individual runners but a relay? The Nielsen twins maybe focusing on study via World Indoors?

    any thoughts…

    #69541
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    reading the AW article DASHER is quoted as saying she ‘doesnt think it is likely’ the World Indoors will form part of her plan … might that change if she dabbles a little early indoors and is producing podium possible times?

    #69771
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    Wayde Van Niekerk misses the Commonwealth’s through injury he picked up playing rugby.

    A bit of a strange choice of recreation for an athlete, but I suppose these freak accidents can happen anywhere.

    His absence will certainly open the way for a fresh face to make a name for themselves.

    #69790
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    It was touch rugby wasn’t it? But certainly not ideal for someone who Bolt has tried to annoint as his successor!

    #69791
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    philipo
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    It was touch rugby wasn’t it? But certainly not ideal for someone who Bolt has tried to annoint as his successor!

    Bet he is never the same again; no 43 sec dead now.

    #69796
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    Devon Allen tore both his in 2015 and still looks top class. Hopefully WVN will too.

    #69798
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    SAm Talbot has said he won’t be competing next year, he needs to give his body a chance to recover. Credit to the guy for sticking with the sport when he could have gone back to rugby

    That’s just a Drake quote – he’s fully expecting to compete next summer!

    #69799
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    Wayde Van Niekerk misses the Commonwealth’s through injury he picked up playing rugby.

    A bit of a strange choice of recreation for an athlete, but I suppose these freak accidents can happen anywhere.

    His absence will certainly open the way for a fresh face to make a name for themselves.

    Can any form of accident incurred playing rugby – even touch rugby – Be described as ‘freak’, Steve? 😀
    Pretty brainless if you ask me but boys will be boys!

    #69800
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    It was touch rugby wasn’t it? But certainly not ideal for someone who Bolt has tried to annoint as his successor!

    Bet he is never the same again; no 43 sec dead now.

    That’s a pretty safe bet. Even without an injury, WvN was unlikely to set a pb at 26. Even staying World #1 for a fourth straight year would be, from a historical perspective, quite unusual.

    #69801
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    My reading was that WvN sustained the injury a few weeks ago and decided not to go under the knife straight away so he could dance at his wedding last weekend. It’s only an assumption but if he’s put the op off for a number of weeks perhaps it’s not as severe as some of the more serious tears

    #69810
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    It was touch rugby wasn’t it? But certainly not ideal for someone who Bolt has tried to annoint as his successor!

    Bet he is never the same again; no 43 sec dead now.

    That’s a pretty safe bet. Even without an injury, WvN was unlikely to set a pb at 26. Even staying World #1 for a fourth straight year would be, from a historical perspective, quite unusual.

    Michael Johnson managed respectable PBs at 29 (200m) and 31 (400m), so I don’t think WvN is quite past it yet!

    Or am I misunderstanding you?

    #69812
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    Soviet

    A ‘freak’ accident since he was reportedly playing touch rugby.

    Philipo

    I’m sure he will return and challenge for top honours, but 19-84 and 43-03 would be hard to surpass even without this injury.

    #69829
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    It was touch rugby wasn’t it? But certainly not ideal for someone who Bolt has tried to annoint as his successor!

    Bet he is never the same again; no 43 sec dead now.

    That’s a pretty safe bet. Even without an injury, WvN was unlikely to set a pb at 26. Even staying World #1 for a fourth straight year would be, from a historical perspective, quite unusual.

    Michael Johnson managed respectable PBs at 29 (200m) and 31 (400m), so I don’t think WvN is quite past it yet!

    Or am I misunderstanding you?

    MJ is one of only a handful of top 400 guys who’ve set PBs past the age of 25. Merritt, Makwala (late developer), the Saudi guy who ran sub-44 on that bizarre day in Beijing when everyone ran PBs, Angelo Taylor (only year he specialised on the flat). I can’t think of others off the top of my head. 400 is a young man’s event.

    #69834
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    MJ is one of only a handful of top 400 guys who’ve set PBs past the age of 25. Merritt, Makwala (late developer), the Saudi guy who ran sub-44 on that bizarre day in Beijing when everyone ran PBs, Angelo Taylor (only year he specialised on the flat). I can’t think of others off the top of my head. 400 is a young man’s event.

    Different rules seem to apply in GB.
    Conrad Williams 33
    Dwayne Cowan 32
    Roger Black 30
    Kriss Akabusi 29
    Martyn Rooney 28
    Rabah Yousif 28

    #69843
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    Lies, damn lies and statistics…..

    Nice one Laps, which some people would no doubt counter with Grindley, Thomas etc. As ever it all depends on the individual, their injury history, training age etc.

    I think the best way to look at the 400 is that it’s a strong man’s game. By which I don’t mean big and muscular, but not susceptible to injury.

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    #69846
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    MJ is one of only a handful of top 400 guys who’ve set PBs past the age of 25. Merritt, Makwala (late developer), the Saudi guy who ran sub-44 on that bizarre day in Beijing when everyone ran PBs, Angelo Taylor (only year he specialised on the flat). I can’t think of others off the top of my head. 400 is a young man’s event.

    Different rules seem to apply in GB.
    Conrad Williams 33
    Dwayne Cowan 32
    Roger Black 30
    Kriss Akabusi 29
    Martyn Rooney 28
    Rabah Yousif 28

    I disagree. There are 4 men in the world top 20 all-time who set their pbs over the age of 25. There are 5 men in the UK all-time list who did likewise (Cowan and Williams are outside the top 20 but you can add in Wariso.

    Take a closer look at those 9 men and very few of them were setting pbs after 4 or more consecutive years at the top. In the all-time list, at least WvN can look at Merritt and Johnson and say “I’m going to have a career like theirs”. You cannot use any of the 5 UK runners you list above as likely role models.

    400 runners who set pbs post 25 are typically late developers or athletes who have had their early development delayed by injuries. I could add athletes who were lucky enough to be in Beijing running on a super fast track in perfect conditions in Beijing in 2015. Martyn Rooney is only on the list because he benefitted from running on probably the best week for 400m pbs in the history of the sport – Beijing 2015.

    The history of the event suggests WvN was VERY unlikely to set a pb next.

    #69847
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    Lies, damn lies and statistics…..

    Nice one Laps, which some people would no doubt counter with Grindley, Thomas etc. As ever it all depends on the <span class=”vm-hook-outer vm-hook-default”><span class=”vm-hook” style=”border-color: transparent transparent rgb(0, 153, 0); color: rgb(0, 153, 0);”>individual</span><span class=”vm-hook-icon” style=”display: inline-block;”></span></span>, their injury history, training age etc.

    I think the best way to look at the 400 is that it’s a strong man’s game. By which I don’t mean big and muscular, but not susceptible to injury.

    I think I’ve provided facts rather than statistics open to interpretation (but maybe you subscribe to the view we live in a post-truth world where alternative facts exist).

    Of course it depends upon training age , injury history etc. If an athlete comes through the junior ranks and has 4 senior years without injury, they are highly unlikely to be setting a 400 pb post 25.
    400m is a strong man’s event if you want longevity. But there are plenty of less ‘strong’ men, susceptible to injury, who have run very, very fast but had short or injury interrupted careers.

    #69848
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    You could describe WvN as a late bloomer having only reached his first world final in 2015 at the age of 23, from that point on you’d expect him to have a 4-5 year period where he would be at his best and able to run PBs when in form. After that 43.6 this year where he looked to be coasting I thought it would just be a matter of time before he broke the WR again whether that be at 25,26 or 27. Of course it’s all up in the air now

    Generally I agree that the majority set their PBs under 25, the women’s lists suggest as much. No surprise that Cowan ran his PB after the age of 25 as he only took up the sport a few years ago and the Conrad Williams run was an anomaly as far as I recall

    #69852
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    Soviet, lies damned lies and statistics indeed,let me show how your “facts” are open to interpretation.

    Of the 21 athletes in the all time top 20 (Harrison and Young are equal 20th), 7 were born in 1992 or later making it impossible for them to have set a pb after the age of 26, so we are down to 14.

    Butch Reynolds, LaShawn Merritt, Jerome Young and Alvin Harrison all had drug busts, which may explain why they were faster in their earlier years, so we are down to 10.

    Both Lee Evans and Larry James set their fastest 2 times at altitude, making it difficult to tell if they were actually faster or not in other years. So we are down to 8.

    So what were the ages the 8 athletes with full unblemished careers that have gone into their late 20’s and were not at altitude set their pbs at?

    19, 22, 23, 26, 28, 29, 29, 32 and I believe 2 of those are still competing so may get a pb when even older. Additional analysis is sometimes needed.

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    #69863
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    Excellent points, Fangio. I stand corrected!

    (If anyone needs me, I’ll be the one sat in the corner wearing the hat with a ‘D’ on it and eating humble pie).

    #69864
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    Excellent points, Fangio. I stand corrected!
    (If anyone needs me, I’ll be the one sat in the corner wearing the hat with a ‘D’ on it and eating humble pie).

    You put up a good fight Soviet. I had no idea.

    #69871
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    Sorry Soviet, when you said you’d provided facts not stats open to interpretation, and mentioned “alternative facts, I couldn’t help but take a look at how superficial your facts were. Didn’t mean to make you feel like sitting in a corner.

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